howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#1
it appears that the new government are following the lead of the old one and will divert any available resources to the north and the rest of the kingdom at the expense of us.
this goes to show how out of touch our politicians are.
a look around parts of dover, most of margate and ramsgate will point out quite clearly that not everyone is rich down here.
conversely i refuse to believe that in mansions on the wirral that the pet whippet is being deep fried to feed 20 starving kids.
different party/parties, same old rubbish.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#2
Howard - just await the details. I have seen a lot of nonsense about the budget, everyone is speculating like mad and 90% of it will be way off the mark.
Besides, it is simply not as clearly cut at you suggest. I suspect what you are referring to are the areas that are most dependent upon State spending, we in the South East have a smaller part of our economy so dependent. It is only natural that areas of the country that will be hardest hit by spending cuts will get extra aid. Parts of the north have 60% or more of their local economy state aid dependant, we are not in that position, even here in Dover.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#3
is it speculation barry, i reckon that a lot of stuff is being deliberately leaked.
an old political trick a bit like the annual rise of the tv livcence fee.
put it about that it is going up 20 quid, when it is finally stated to be 15 quid everyone is happy.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#4
We shall soon see, Howard. If it is leaks then there are different leaks being given to each newspaper/hack. I have seen 3 different figures for the level of cuts/VAT and CGT, all claiming to be authorative - they all can't be true...
Brian Dixon
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#5
howard,you forgot the flat cap like the boss wears.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#6
The trouble is that there is a big difference between South East England (covering Oxford, Bucks, Beds. Hants, Surrey, Sussex Kent etc.) and South East Kent (Thanet, Dover, Shepway and Canterbury)
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#7
True Roger but, deprived as we are, we are not as dependent upon State spending as many parts of the north and therefore will not be as badly hit by the cuts.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#8
Are there really many parts of the North that are still deprived Barry ?
I know there are some run-down areas, but I thought that 13 years of Labour rule, most of those run-down Northern Towns (where most of the Labour MPs were) are now quite smart - is that not the case anymore ? Are they as rundown as we are ?
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#9
Its not a matter of deprivations Roger - this is to do with the impact of public spending cuts which will fall disproportionally on some areas that are more dependant upon public spending and public sector jobs. In some parts of the north well over 60% of the economy is dependant upon the public sector compared to nationall about 48% (rising to 52% if no action is taken). The south east as a whole is dependent to a lot lower extent, that includes Dover. Like I say this is not about deprivation, its about the impact of public sector cuts.
#10
Yeah, but Barry, as Roger points out, we've just exited 13 years of Labour rule so surely the north isn't a barren wasteland anymore? After all, Labour would look after their own wouldn't they? You're not trying to tell us that after 13 years of preferential treatment Labour failed to improve matters in the North? That would not only be unbelievable, it would be unforgiveable too.
I know we suffer posh and trendy socialism in the South but in the North, well I mean, they are hardline proper socialists so why can't they see when they'v been lied to and misled, even after 13 years? Jeez, they must be really dumb up there.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#11
i read the other day that in some areas oop north 25% of the workforce are in the public sector whilst further south the figure is around 16%.
that is just a rule of thumb, the problem is that politicians are not clever enough to direct money to the deserving places.
to them it is simply the rich south and the poor north.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#12
Thats the problem Sid - Labour have made the north more dependant upon the public sector and ignored the private sector. Because they are now so disproportionally public sector dependant they will be hit a lot worse by the cuts. It is necessary to counter the disproportionate impact spending cuts will have on the north. This is aside and apart from issues of deprivation and should be looked at as a seperate matter. The important thing is what shape this aid will take, it must be geared to levering them off public sector dependance.
#13
'The important thing is what shape this aid will take, it must be geared to levering them off public sector dependance.'
I suspect that food parcels and whippet food will suffice. I believe that their baths are already full of fuel.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#14
hope that black pudding and tins of scouse are in those parcels.
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#15
Bring back 'bread and scrape', and 'dig for victory', we can cope.
K.
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#16
Seems it was true, Barry. However, I think the rest of the budget seems to have been given a lot of thought; I particularly like the 'no rise' in duty on fuel, alcohol or tobacco. Seems like some real thought has been put into this difficult budget.
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#17
Yes indeed, as I said - it is extra help to the areas most dependent on the public sector to compensate for a disproportionate hit from the cuts. What is right is the way the help is focussed on capital projects and help to boost the private sector in these areas. Its eminently sensible.
It is a massive budget in the sense of the range and scope of the measures. I will be blogging when I have had a chance to study detail and give a bit more thought to it.
#18
Howard, you omitted the pigeon food. Oop ter North wouldn't be the same without horrendous brass bands and pigeon poo everywhere!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#19
and not forgetting the flat caps eeee by gum.
#20
I have a number of spare bicycles.
Would it be worth me sending them north in the hope that various claimants might get out of their beds, stop watching a.m. TV, and come down to the south to get a job, or should I continue to learn what are the words in Latvian for thank you when I am given my coffee????