Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Howard -you mention that the government are looking for money in their coffers. What you're not taking into account that DPPT can deliver the cash AND a comprehensive expedition of government policy AND the PM's pet portfolio topic.
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Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Nobody is going to pay over the odds even for the Port of Dover in the current world economic climate-if it means putting their trust in an artificially inflated expansion scheme which research has proved will not bear any kind of fruit till 2035-if at all...
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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richard
my understanding is that the peoples port would stump up 200 million used oncers.
a private sale would realise double that, i don't think that the pie in the sky terminal two comes in to the equation.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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A private sale might yield more upfront but that would be it. No regeneration, no future tax revenues and no community involvement. And back to port v town DHB style. Even the dead hand of central government ownership via trust port status would be better than that.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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...and brought round to 10 Downing St in a Tescos carrier bag no doubt! See your point about Terminal 2,but to my understanding ,in that case they would need 2 carrier bags.
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Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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..quite so Peter!
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Gov. needs money in the coffers; even Mr. Elphicke said at 10 Downing St., on presenting the people's port package, that it would bring 200 million creased oncers into the Treasury.
In so doing, he became an advocate for the Treasury cashing in on a Port transaction, and it seems that there's little the p/p can do now to put the genius back in the bottle!
Sorry folks, you should have listened to what some of us were saying so earnestly in the past, when we warned against this. Gov. is hardly likely now to turn down the idea of pouring cash in the coffers from the Port, after both DHB and p/p made such proposals.
The difference is, that DHB's plan offers much more oncers than the p/p plan.
Little you can do now to retract your offer to Gov. You should have folowed our advice and said no to any form of Port-sale!
Or do you think now that Gov. will turn the offer down and say: "oh alright then, let's not cash in on the Port of Dover"?
The very parish pole states that 25% of people in Dover agree that the coffers should cash a heap of money from a Port-transaction.
So all Gov. need do now is choose which offer will bring in more cash, and that is DHB's! You should have followed some sound advice and kept your hands off the parish pole.
A bit late now to complain!
Sorry Peter!
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Who's complaining?-it's you Alexander! Not a soul from the DPPT has moaned about a thing! They are merely focussed on the positive outcome of a well planned and resoundingly solid campaign which has so far delivered at every stage of its orchestration. Attention to detail has been astounding. Its no good you back tracking with hindsight on what you see as a point in the strategy that you feel is worth attacking. The added value projected by DPPT (on the points mentioned by Peter above) will far surpass any extra bunce money that DHB can drum up with their rather weak PR and sales efforts. You are obviously a great supporter of the 'Dover' brand-why not be cynical about DHB instead-they deserve it. One of the biggest complainers has been DHB- if you want another one, single them out...
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Thank you for your support Richard. However we are flogging a dead horse trying to convince Alex, Marek et al. It's not worth the effort. All that there is to be said has been said and as far as I and the other members of the DPPT board are concerned, no more will be said until there is something new to say.
There is so much information in the public domain already - if people are too idle to read it.......
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Richard, Peter, nothing will come up about the Port before the local elections.
Firethermore, Gov. would make sure that there is a competent administration, ie the DHB one, in place, anyway, before any change.
They wouldn't just hand over the administration to a City institution.
But the difference between 200 and 400 million of 'em is hardly to go unnoticed.
Some Arab countries have money spilling over, they wall-paper walls with it.
Not that I doubt the good intentions of what p/p offered as an administrative body, but T2 is pie in the sky even according to DHB, and even Peter said that it wouldn't come about for another generation, so no money from a sail would be required for T2, and would wonder straight into the coffers.
The truth is, that DHB and p/p were both beating the same drums with wanting to fill the coffers of the State with money from Dover Port through a transaction, and although 75% of people in Dover realised this and said: "no, we won't vote for either", p/p has spun the 25% turnout into a massive majority vote for filling the Treasury with money.
That's all Gov. was looking for, and with this sheet of paper (the parish poll), they can now say that Dover voted for selling the Port.
An Arab state offering 500 million used pounds willl get priority over p/p's comparatively small sum.
But they won't say so before the elections.
It's nothing to do with dead horses, Peter. Sorry mate!
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QED.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I have no axe to grind either way. I suppose like 'doubting Thomas' I'll believe it when I see it. I onLy hope the peoples wishes of Dover are met and that it will happen in my lifetime.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Q uite E nough D oubt!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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should be an interesting meeting, i bet the peoples's port backers will attend
28 April 2011
2010 was a very positive year for the Port of Dover. The tough economic climate was challenging, but we ended 2010 in excellent health and ready for an equally challenging future.
The Annual Consultative Meeting will be held on 16th May 2011 at The Ark, Noah's Ark Road, Dover CT17 0DD starting at 5pm. The ACM provides the opportunity for staff and public to hear about the past year from operational, development and business perspectives. In addition, it will give attendees the chance to hear more detail about the Board's privatisation plans and the proposed Port of Dover Community Trust (PDCT), an essential and very important part of those plans providing, for the first time, a stake in the Port's future success for the whole community of Dover.
The Annual Consultative Meeting offers a valuable opportunity to reflect on the achievements of 2010, to look ahead to the challenges and opportunities in 2011 and in particular to hear about progress regarding our exciting and deliverable plans for an expanded world class business.
Come and meet the Executive Directors and Board members and ask the questions that are important to you.
Doors open at 4.30pm for refreshments.
We look forward to welcoming you.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I shall be there.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Where?
Brian Dixon
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bandstand russel gardens alex.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
the clue is subtly hidden in post 35.
failing that you can always follow brian's directions.
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