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  Absolutely. And PaulB, it is NOT a rel;igious thing, it springs solely from mens interpretations of quotes, simply to suit themselves. Like the beards thing - men were killed in some middle eastern countries for shaving - there is no religious rule about it, it was simply a tool of oppression forced onto uneducated people who were not allowed or empowered to learn any better. We sometimes moan about people living here for extended periods of time and still not speaking English - generally it is the women, and generally it is because they are not allowed by the men to learn it. fear and ignorance allow power to remain where it is.

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