Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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2 November 2009
14:3832255ROGER
Sadly the town doesn't provide a;ll thats needed, good thoughts though,
And Tesco's being where it is and as big as it is will provide.
Don't think we will ever see ASDA in Dover so thats not a worry
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 November 2009
16:2532262ASDA is coming, not sure now about the hospital - sadly.
Roger
2 November 2009
17:1432266It would be criminal if we lost the hospital due to dithering and hidden agenda. Charlie Elphicke seems to be putting his weight behind the hospital siting. I repeat: what do we have to do?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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2 November 2009
17:2132268take two [2] asprin and go and lay down in a darkend room with a bottle of white wine and a rubics cube.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2 November 2009
19:1232279tesco are no good for dover full stop.
1) they do not create jobs, if they were not there, the present tesco jobs would be shared among other retailers.
2) the money earned by tesco employees is mostly ploughed back into their workplace using their staff discount.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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2 November 2009
19:4032281Howard you are very wrong on that one mate,If Tesco closed down you are trying to tell us that the 200or more staff would get jobs in the town shops.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2 November 2009
20:0232287victor
i think i am very right on this one.
are you saying that no-one would fill the void left by tesco?
we have morrisons starting in the new year, more importantly asda in the not to distant future.
tesco have been spending a lot of money on their whitfield grocery outlet recently, they know that they will be having some pretty strong competition.
2 November 2009
20:3032294Howard is right. It doesn't have to be a monster employer filling the void - lots of little ones will do!! And that will offer the diversity we need. Right on, Howard!!!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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2 November 2009
21:1832296You are both wrong sorry if that upsets you Why is TESCO the bad boy and not the others just because they are bigger and doing a good job,if you use the other ones and I do the prices are about the same on most of the goods,Asda sell T.V. etc.At times if you shop at Tesco you get 5p off a lte of fuel, is that bad or good. You get points on a card and at Xmas time you can get goods with that card or have a weekend away, and you must be wrong because most of the public use it,or are most of the public wrong and you are right.No more to say about it .
DT1- Location: Dover
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2 November 2009
22:3832301Asda are just as bad Vic.
5p of petrol, goods from clubcard points...I've heard their next scheme is to pay you to shop there! Do you not think this generosity has to be paid for by someone? Do you think it is the shareholders, "Hey guys, I think we've earnt enough this year...lets just give some back" I will tell you who pays for your 'gifts' and the 5p off your petrol Vic, and that's you!
Oh I forgot to mention 'Computers for Schools' the great philanthropic scheme. You spend £250,000 with us and we'll give you an £800 computer with our name on it, just in case your 8 year old is not familiar with our 'brand'. This is just the start, schools if we are not careful through PFI initiatives will bear the brands of these savage companies. My kids can't read yet, and we don't shop in Tesco and yet they can 'read' the word TESCO purely by high frequency recognition....now that's worrying!
Bern and Howard must be 'wrong' because most of the public use it!?!? You only have to look at our countries best selling newspaper; is it the best in literary terms?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2 November 2009
22:4032302you are missing the point victor.
you have said yourself that asda and tesco sell much the same things at a similar price.
asda will be in our town, not on a by pass.
watch what happens in january when morrisons open offering the same free car parking as tescos.
DT1- Location: Dover
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2 November 2009
22:5932303I'm not so sure this 'there was an old lady who swallowed a fly' approach will sort things out either.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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2 November 2009
23:4132304Alas the days of the small shopkeeper are virtually at an end. The tremendous buying power of the supermarkets has meant cheaper prices and this is what people want especially during these times of recession. Having said that there is still room for the small specialised shops selling the type of goods you cannot buy in a supermarket.
Like it or not the supermarket is here to stay and perhaps just to use an example, a few weeks ago I purchased a digital camera, I went to a small shop and it was £45.00, in Tesco the same model camera was £29.99, no prizes for guessing which one I bought from. Did I care about shareholders, like hell, I was more interested in saving £15 quid.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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3 November 2009
08:1232306Well Dave is absolutely spot on there and talks about the situation from the point of view of the average consumer, and there are many. DT is trying to sell us an aspiration, a theory, an ideal...but DT that particular horse bolted 30 years ago..and the consumer is not interested in fancy pants ideals. He is there to get a good deal on a tv and whathaveyou.
Anyone who lives and tries to shop in downtown Dover like I do myself cannot get ones shopping here, there are no outlets. I wish people would note that.
With Asda coming, with a new Hospital here, with the Gateway centre already opened...the DDC management led by Paul Watkins are centrally pushing in the right direction...ie bringing life into the centre of town. Are we supporting them? because in my view anyway thats the only route to a return to throbbing life in downtown Dover. In other words..we need to embrace the supermarket phenomenon.
3 November 2009
08:1432307I don't mind proper supermarkets, what I loathe passionately are the devious, greedy and misanthropic "supermarkets" that swallow up communities leaving bare boards instead of shops, who pile it high and sell (some of it) cheap to lure in the gullible shopper - yes Vic, you - who is then ripped of a biggie on other goods while having his/her town raped in the name of greed. Those "deals" and "savings" are indeed paid for in many ways by us - in terms of higher prices on some stuff, the farmers being ripped off and forced out of business, the importing of stuff we don't need to import if we only shopped lically, the warehouse mentality that does not and never will factor in the human need fo interaction and fun while tasking. They suck.
PAul B - just saw your post. We do see that - what we also see id that the reason you can't shop in town is BECAUSE of the blasted "super"markets who have personally and willfully throttled the life out of our communities.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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3 November 2009
08:2432309Bern I think you are talking about some imaginary never land there..
"gullibles travels meets the greedy giant!"
Some of you might remember years ago I used to write to complain about the Tesco profit levels...I couldnt equate vast profits with the supposed bargains we are told we are getting. However Ive softened my stance on it as Ive realised people dont care about the profits made, as long as they get good deals and a good experience because they clearly do. Lots of money is spent ensuring they do...its called marketing.
As yes Bern just seen your added bit...but what you are saying is way too late. Its way way way too late. The supermarket phenomenon is here. The life has been throttled out of some towns but its no use NOW saying this and pointing the blame. Its 30 - 40 years too late.There were so many people to blame, planners and so on but its years ago. The best way to regeneration is to get the supermarkets to open up in the centre of towns, that way the life comes back(see my post 34). Nobody will return to the little shop anymore, its too late, They cant match variety, they cant match price, parking, etc etc
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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3 November 2009
08:4032311A way round it,a compromise so to speak,would be for Tescos to open one of their 'corner shop' minimarket in Dover Town centre. Where not only could Granny buy her dolly blue,tins of beans and egg custards but where she can also pick up a brochure and order her new TV or white goods without her trudging up to Whitfield. Everyone would then be partly satisfied.Increased footfall in Dover and town centres offered a hope of new life.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 November 2009
08:5332313Maybe once Morrisons and ASDA are here, Tesco's or Sainsbury's might just do that Marek.
Roger
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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3 November 2009
11:0132321I would like to just point out to you also that the shops in the Town centre were closing down before Tesco,s went up the hill,most of our big shops had already gone and they were the coop-op for one they had shops both sides of the high St selling evey thing from food to fabrics sofas etc,they said at the time it was the coming of big shops like M.F.I. You can also look at Asda is going into a area which you all have been saying about how bad the air is with all the lorrys going down to the docks and now that is going to be added to by 1000s of cars going to ASDA and the H,G.V.S aswell.I agree with Asda going there but you can not have it bothways.
DT1- Location: Dover
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3 November 2009
18:4032340Vic can't you see that Sainsbury's and the Coop were just the first stage of this move towards 'superstores'. However where they were of a scale that in some way benefitted local traders not blew them out of the water. OK so you say the shops were closing before we had superstores? Where people starting to eat less? Severe drop in population through disease? Consumption (not the disease) has increased, along with product variety, however of choice of where to shop has decreased...out your eyes!
Paul, I'm not trying to sell anything. I agree the horse has been bolting, but blind acceptance of that horse potentially being your master is just ignorant. It takes little imagination to see that in another 30 years time certain companies will have the power to dictate our choice. This isn't resistance to change, in a desperate hope to hang on to the sort of twee shopping experience obtained in Tenterden. This is realising that the notion of one or two companies hold the monopoly on our physiological wellbeing. Our health, food and primary means of production could in theory be defined by these companies, and to an extent they already are.
Now not everyone enjoys shopping, but large supermarkets ensure that the process is nothing more than a chore. Home cooking is not everyone's thing but supermarkets also deskill and sanitise this process. Eating at a table is not to every families outlook, but the TV dinner undervalues this too. And so it continues; why go to a pub when I can drink cans of lager at home for a fraction of the price; why go to see a band when I have MTV. Slowly all those things that that have any social value disappear to a choice based on monetary value, and by no coincidence these are the very things in life that provide aspiration, inspiration and joy to so many. It's like reducing architecture to waterproof boxes or wine just to ethanol, there becomes a lack of character.
Tesco shopping is a truly thoughtless process, the contrived layout, soulless aisles of stacked goods highlighting things they want you to buy, not things you actually want. Supermarkets provide no social capital to towns where shops do.
I know people are busy and this isn't about me dictating their time. Listen to Roger, support local shops and realise you can't moan about a town when all you do is shop in a supermarket. Paul I'd like to know what Tesco has that is so unobtainable in Dover? Or whether this is actually about susceptibility to branding.