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  That's where working tax credits and housing/council tax benefits come in, Gary.
  When through working you can't make ends meet, be it part - or full time employment, you rely on working tax credit and housing benefit, but you do live better and in a more worthy manner than signing on.
  
  Barry's idea of paying people less than the minimum wage and scrapping the working tax credit and cutting other benefits (housing, for example), would lead to the immediate end of the Government. There would be mass protests - albeit peaceful ones - as many millions of working people would be affected. It would mean making it impossible for them to work other than as slaves living off bread and water.
  
  What Barry suggests did not exist in the Dark Ages and the Middle Ages, and possibly only during the Industrial Revolution, and when people were deported to the colonies, or on galleys.

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