howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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devious little git,such a barstool.when will it end,it looks like the work house is making a come back.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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used to be gordon brown when he was chancellor accused of stealth taxes, seem like george has taken a leaf out of his book.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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yes howard it does seem that way dosent it.
so in retrospect barryw can get of his high horse now cant he.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Clegg boasted their main achievement over the Tories since the Coalition was formed had been the raising of income tax threashold was a major boost for the low paid.
Did he read the small print?
Osborne `headlined` with £ One billion of tax cuts ( April 2012 ) but took back £ Two and a Half billion in his `devious` tax credits scheme.
Once again Btitains poorest will be picking up the bill and unless they hold an accountancy degree will not realise it until it hits home in April 2012.
``We are all in this together``?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The Tax Credit system is an expensive system that needs top be phased out. The best way would to be to keep below inflation increases year on year.
Better lower taxes and to get people off any dependence upon state handouts.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barryw,thats a fine idea in theroy but dependant on the job market,and a good starting wage say between 8 and 10 quids a hour.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the system is over complicated i agree but helps the lower paid to get by.
getting rid of them can only encourage people to not work and go on to benefits.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The opposite Howard - it simply increases the number of people on benefits something Brown wanted for purely political reasons. It also subsidises low pay.
It is amazing at how many people who qualify for these who do not claim. Complex and expensive to run.
We need to get away from a benefit society and these along with many other benefits must be phased out.
Use the word "support" instead of "benefits" and wonder at the different feel.
Keith Sansum1
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always hit the wrong geers those that can't afford it
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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tax credits have helped a lot of people to survive
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There needs to be a system that supports people when they need it but also supports them towards independence. That is not a bad thing unless it is hijacked by political point scoring. To demonise people on "benefits", or to advocate the scrapping of a support system, does no-one any favours. I suspect we will see the usual guff trotted out about scroungers and abuse of the system. Get over it, and let's make some proper, grown up plans for supporting the vulnerable or those in temporary straits.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i csnnot see a problem with giving a few extra quid to people working for a pittance.
all the money they spend goes straight into the economy, once they are hit then chances of growth are even slimmer than they are now.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Tax Credits were designed to get low paid workers off Jobseekers and encourage them to work, how will phasing out these benefits help?
Yes, they are complicated, yes they need sorting out.
Some people simply do not have a clue on how it is for MOST people on benefits or simply don't care.
The majority of those on benefits actually want to get away from the benefit society and yes it does subsidise low pay.
So simply phasing these benefits out is not the answer.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Tax credits have helped a lot of hard working low paid people to maintain their dignity and support their families, why does this government always hit the low paid so hard?
Audere est facere.
DT1- Location: Dover
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Yes it is the case that yet again those that may need the support are the ones that will pay. This money makes a huge difference to lower income families.
It is true that many who qualify do not claim. Perhaps these are the people that truly want to be independent of a 'benefit society'. Surely those that claim them anyway just because they 'entitled' yet do not 'need' the support are those that perpetuate the abuse of 'handouts'.
I know my children have benefited.
Anyone else?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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i have beneifited
as have a large number of my friends
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I doubt working tax credits will be phased out, just reduced, as state-pensions probably will be too.
If working tax credits were reduced too much, millions of people would stop working and sign on.
They'd be repalced by millions of migrant workers employed by agencies at the wage of their own EU country. Even George Osborne knows this.
I think he's just trying to scare millions of hard-working despearte people hanging on to dear life who manage to avoid the jobcentre.
Of-course he might take one step too far and then lose his job come the next general election.
Perhaps when proceeding through London on his chariot, he should have a servant (low-paid worker with working tax credit) walk behind him and repeating the phrase: "remember you are just a mortal!"
If he and his likes keep taunting the under-paid hard working people, surely many will just vote for another party.
Where do these people in Government live?
They seem to think they are on Mount Olymp, not in the People's Parliament.
They certainly do not behave like commoners!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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They live in the same world as the judiciary, who seem to believe that victims are the real naughty, guilty people, by being in the wrong place at the wrong time and the offender was just a lapsed churchgoer caught by temptation, who can be forgiven and just have their wrist slapped.
There is no level playing field for the ordinary person.
My understanding is that all forms of benefits are being changed not cut and will be simplified to make it fairer.
Roger