Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
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16 December 2010
12:1184934#1
I've thought long and hard about posting this. There has been a lot of comment about Iran recently but how about this?
I get news emails from France24 from time to time and this one popped in yesterday.
The basic problem for me is that should we just sit back and ignore this as it is a totally different culture and "respect" them for it or should we bring pressure to bear and make them submit to our culture. Who is right?
Be warned, it isn't nice.
http://observers.france24.com/content/20101215-sentenced-public-lashing-daring-wear-trousers-sudan-video-womens-rights
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Brian Dixon
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- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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16 December 2010
12:3384939#2
terry,i have seen the vidio a couple of days ago on my isp providers home page,allthough a terrable thing to happen it happens.if the western world saye anything about it we are told to keep our noses out of there buisness.probably sheite law permits this sort of thing,[we used to do simaler acts ie.birching and other flogging things in public untill it was repeald by an act of parliment.]
Terry Nunn- Location: London Road, Dover
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16 December 2010
12:3784941#3
By way of a little light relief I had the subtitles on during "Breakfast a year or so ago. Shi-ite law came out as shite law. Sums it up really.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 December 2010
12:4884943#4
never heard of shi ite law, you may mean sharia law.
i didn't watch the video, heard about it on the news, not to my viewing taste.
Terry Nunn- Location: London Road, Dover
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16 December 2010
12:5384945#5
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 December 2010
13:1684948#6
looks like a made up one terry.
only in afghanistan it seems.
i see it is signed by mr karzai, a forward thinking leader.
women have to provide sexual satisfaction to their husband and can only leave the house with express permission.
to think our troops are dying to keep mr karzai and his friends in power.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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16 December 2010
15:4084961#7
Like all things Islam, sharia law is divided into shi ite and sunni interpretations of it. At the end of the day both are upholding a traditional misogynistic line and putting a religious context on to it. Where the Koran calls for 'modesty' the various mullahs and other religious 'scholars' (I use that term loosely) impose on it whatever terms suite their own and traditional prejudices. The result, as seen in the clip, is institutionalised bullying, pure and simple. From the press coverage given the clip it would seem the main objection was that the police were laughing as they delivered the flogging.
Culture, tradition or religion can never be an excuse for prejudice or intolerance and especially not for treating one gender as submissive to the other.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Keith Sansum1
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16 December 2010
17:2184969#8
I personally don't find this to be a good thing, and we should be doing all we can to stop it
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Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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16 December 2010
17:3684975#9
Sorry Keith, but your new avatar is a bit confusing to PaulB`s mate. Twice I`ve been taken in by it as his comments.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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16 December 2010
17:4184976#10
i will change it one more time any further comments and i will delete it altogether and wont have one
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 December 2010
18:2384987#11
doubt there is anything we can do keith, it is their business, they are a sovereign state.
normally we would go to war but our troops are a bit tied up at the moment.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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16 December 2010
18:5585010#12
We can't even stop these things happening in Muslim enclaves in the UK. What chance do we have of stopping them in Sudan? Let's start at home.
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Jan Higgins
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16 December 2010
19:3185029#13
No need to sulk Keith
, this one is very like PaulB's.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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16 December 2010
19:3385030#14
jan
now won't change
tried 4 times
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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16 December 2010
19:3785031#15
I find it shameful and disgusting; it's sadistic and sick - and laughing about it makes it worse.
If this is an interpretation of a religion, then those following a bastardised version of it, can not be good people; surely subjugating women in this way is against any decent society - isn't it ?
Carrying out this practice here or abroad should be stopped - how to do so, I don't have the answer.
Roger
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16 December 2010
21:5185062#16
Needed a man to take the whip from his hand and see just how tough that poor excuse for a policeman, (not the right word for him), was when faced with an equal foe! Filthy cowardly bully!! Religion again, wrapped up in culture.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 December 2010
22:0085067#17
much more about power and control than religion, just horses for courses.
as a for instance when the romanian people overthrew the ceausescu family about 20 years ago and shot the president, they heralded a new democracy.
when the votes came in they elected most of the previous regime that had controlled them and kept them poor for the previous 40 years.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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16 December 2010
23:3685079#18
Post #12 hits it on the head for me. If you can't stop it here then why bother at all. look after your own chicken coup before looking after your neighbours.
I find the treatment of women in these countries DISGUSTING.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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17 December 2010
00:4885085#19
Quite right Ian. Those of you who know me will know that I have a deep respect for the devout Muslims among whom I worked and travelled for many years. I enjoyed their hospitality, their culture, their food and their customs. However I have no respect for these renegades who parade their religious aberrations in front of the world. Islam does not dictate these practices, they are ingrained cultural and tribal influences which will not go away overnight. All reasonable Muslims reject them as heresy but are often afraid to speak out because of the culture of political correctness which infects modern Islam.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 December 2010
08:4685105#20
I agree Peter, none of us are denegrating the devout Muslims and respect them very much and as you say it is these fanatics who create the general anti-Muslim attitude.
The problem is that "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing" and being good is not (now) enough, these evil people will triumph and increase their number and influence.
Roger