Student Fees Protest...Rubber Bullets..?
- 9 November 2011 10:43135681Who decided that Rubber Bullets should be available for use?
- 9 November 2011 11:00135682Presumably that would come from the Home Secretary not that she would admit it
Audere est facere. - 9 November 2011 11:12135683plastic bullets probably authorised by the border agency unless he has a cast iron alibi.
- 9 November 2011 11:16135685I wonder how the 'Robocop' plans are coming along?
Certainly, dressing the Police to resemble armour-plated automatons will make the introduction of Automated-Angst-Assuagers more palatable...and allow us to retain the semblance of a AAA rating.
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9 November 2011 12:08135693Rubber bullets are way over the top, bring on the water canon not at all nice in chilly weather.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 9 November 2011 16:00135714The students are our children and grandchildren who are having to pay for an education that we enjoyed without having a debt around our necks.
They have every right to protest without rubber bullets or getting wet. - 9 November 2011 16:09135716by all accounts anarchists are infiltrating the demonstration, there is no excuse for not lifting these people out before anything starts to go wrong.
the authorities have enough film of them in action and will have detailed dossiers on them. - 9 November 2011 16:24135719Totally agree Reg there, you took the words right out of my mouth. These students are our future. My own daughter was on one of these demos earlier in the year and I was proud to see her out there making her point about the outrage of her being hoodwinked into voting for the cheating Libdems...who promised her no tuition fees, A lie as we all know now.
These students will be the new Britain in a few short years, working hard to pay our old age pension..as doctors, accountants, engineers...they will look after your health and your finances, will design your house and your nuclear power station.
The thought that the state would use rubber bullets against them is horrendous.email: dover7@msn.com - Brian Dixon
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9 November 2011 16:36135721rubber bullits should be baned all together.
on a musical note,......rubber bullits by 10cc. - 9 November 2011 17:33135732OMG, the thought of our children being water cannoned or shot with rubber bullets whilst exercising their right to protest about their horrendous student fees is utterly unthinkable.........
- 9 November 2011 17:41135734Howard.
The anarchists should be stopped from getting involved full stop. They will do more damage than throwing stones, this time around."My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum" - Ross Miller
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9 November 2011 17:42135735Surely part of the problem is that encouraging 50% of all 18 year olds to go to Uni means it became unaffordable for the state.
In my time it worked like this -
30% if 16 year olds stayed on and studied for A Levels
30% of those then went onto Uni
i.e. 10% of all 18 year olds went to Uni - thus it was affordable for the state to offer these (the creme de la creme) individuals a free education
The 70% of kids who did not go on to do A Levels went to work, or onto apprenticeship/training schemes
the remaining 20% of kids who got A Levels but did not go to Uni went to wither local Polys or Tech colleges often on employer funded/sponsored courses"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
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9 November 2011 17:46135737With regard to protesting - they have the right to protest peacefully and to do whilst causing the minimum disruption to others.
Once trouble kicks off, as it generally does those who went to protest peacefully surely will disperse as quickly as possible so as to disassociate themselves from the disruption/violence etc. If they stay once it turns ugly, then they are surely complicit in the disorder and deserve to be treated appropriately by the authorities irrespective of their original motives, parentage, class etc."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - 9 November 2011 18:00135746Ross.
These youth's have the right to protest peacefully and they should also have the right to protest without the ugly mob turning up to escalate the violence.
In principle, you are right, that they can just walk away when trouble starts but they are young and have travelled from many places and have a purpose to be there.
Sometimes it is not that easy to walk away but it is very easy to get caught up in the moment and do stupid things that you never thought you was capable of."My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum" - Ross Miller
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9 November 2011 18:03135748Gary - I do know and know the stupid things I did in my youth on picket lines from Wapping to Orgreave and beyond"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - 9 November 2011 22:47135792all's well that ends well, 24 arrests most for minor offences and not a plastic bullet fired in anger.
4000 police officers made it so.
2 questions
a) where do they find 4000 officers from?
b) was it a trial run for a possible winter of discontent with public sector workers? - 10 November 2011 00:06135798Well if they'd have used plastic Bullets-that would have been it-anarchy would have been primed. Being hit by one of those things can prove fatal. I hate to think what would have happened next if somebody had been killed by the police using one of these nasty weapons. Every trouble maker and extremist in the UK would have jumped on the bandwagon. Government must stop having these crazy knee jerk reactions to situations of unrest. They could end up being viewed in the same light as the idiot who threw the fire extinguisher from a roof. Even water canon use equates us with having a daft continental mentality towards demos and marches. Like arming the police with guns, it goes against the true British Spirit of Democracy.Never give up...
- 10 November 2011 01:09135799Ok, let's forget that there are Olympic games round the corner and that Gov. don't want anyone giving London a bad image.
Alright, let's forget that last time round the students almost barged into Parliament and had already started dismantling the Treasury.
Assuming that today we saw a peaceful demonstration, which was allowed and not forbidden, and that all went well, no doubt the rubber bullet has had an effect, on this occasion and on future demonstrations: no violence, no rubber bullet.
True, the present students are the ones who will be helping to design the future wind-turbine, and who will give us a hand in paying off a sovereign debt that gets larger ev'ry day, and some will be signing on too.
Maybe somebody ought tell them that if they got free uni, then their grandchildren will still be paying off the sovereign debts.
Either that, or learning to grind wheat by hand at the grinding mill if we get back to the Neolithic Stone Age.
Here in Britain we're paying just about for everyone, at home and abroad. Our NHS and education system are bursting at the seams, our jobcentres are at full capacity, we're supposed to bail out half of Europe, and maintain another 30% of Europe anyway.
We have to see spending cuts of 40% to the councils, cuts to the Police and the Defence, cuts in public sector pensions, cancelling of child benefit to many hard-working families, cuts in public sector jobs.
Factories won't employ us Brits anyway.
About time the students started reading the newspapers, methinks, and seeing what reality really is out here in the harsh world
I've just got my account book up to date: it results that since end of June I've done about 40 hours a week non-stop on something like £1.80 an hour.
Next peaceful complaint, please
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 10 November 2011 09:22135814# 17.Spot on............Hope you can attend ``Hospital Rally``.....may need body armour and water wings.?
- 10 November 2011 09:46135819Alexander.
I think the students protests, are more to do with broken promises than "free uni""My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"