Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 October 2010
08:2573378After the election of a new leader and also after a conference political parties usually get a poll bounce. It would be unusual not to, particularly when in opposition and facing a government facing up to a lot up unpopular decisions.
Well after Labour's conference it did not happen.
Ok one poll, the YouGov daily did give Labour a 1% lead but that disappeared a day later turning into a 2% Conservatiove lead.
Today in the ComRes/Independent:
39% Conservative
36% Labour
15% LibDems
- a 3% Conservative lead.
This bodes ill for Labour. Yes, I still expect them to claw a mid-term lead when the cuts bite but, in the way or normal politics, once the fruits of the tough decisions show they will fade and by the time of the next election will face the wilderness again where they belong.
It seems the public are not as stupid as Labour think they are.
Keith Sansum1
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2 October 2010
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2 October 2010
19:0073424ed was never likely to have an immediate effect in the short term, his brother would probably have meant at least 5 points in the polls.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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2 October 2010
19:0473428I don't agree
ED is settling in well
and slowly but surely over next 17 months you will see him get better and better,
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2 October 2010
20:2173451He isnt right for labour looks like he should still be on set for spitting image
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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2 October 2010
21:0273457Keith - experience, history and logic, not dreaming.
So Keith, are you going to answer the question? Where did the bounce go?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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2 October 2010
21:3973461Ed will make his mark, you have to decide Baz If you take notice of polls or not.
When they go against the tories you don't believe them to be very accurate.
If you feel you can use them you do to your advantage
but not very consistant
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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3 October 2010
15:3073517Ed Miliband is the first ever Jewish leader of the Labour Party. Disraeli was the last Jewish Prime Minister,as far as I know. Might being something other than an adherent of the established state religion be an electoral handicap at the General Election? Being Jewish didn't do Michael Howard's prime ministerial ambitions any good. Discuss.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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3 October 2010
16:3473530Eds the new POLITCAL Leader of the Labour party, it wll be intrerestng times ahead
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Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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3 October 2010
16:5173532Ed did not have the support of the Labour MPs or grass root supporters, just the unions. The unions represent just 6 million of our UK workforce, many of them voting and supporting parties other than Labour, so he would appear not to be the peoples choice.
Peter said we should'discuss' the fact he is Jewish(I believe the defeated brother does not support a religion). Could Ed in view of his committment to his religion be totally unbiased when discussing Middle East issues?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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3 October 2010
17:0973535KEN; And there we were gettng along so ncely
Your latest choce of political parties(tories) many have outside intrerests and you could question there ability to make decisions in an inpartial way.
The list of nterests that without doubt influence decision making.
So if across the board your saying you disagree im wth you, but i suspect your just wanting to point score
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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3 October 2010
17:1373536I was a member of a union though not paying the political levy at the time of the last deputy leadership election but still got sent a voting form - happily sent it back voting for the most left wing candidate. I have read press reports that this may have happenend with a lot of non levy paying union members this time around, wonder if it might have affected the result?
There will be interesting times ahead with the intense press scrutiny he will now come under as leader, not married, not registered as a father, not having a financial interest in his family home for starters.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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3 October 2010
17:2173538Lots of poltcal bias
Eds very new as a leader, I look forward to the day he takes over as prime minister
notced other issues got missed Ray
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Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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3 October 2010
17:5473542Keith. As I have said before, only ever belonged to 2 parties and genuinely believe the Tories are proving me right in being able to provide what Labour promised but were unable to deliver eg Welfare Reform.
As for point scoring, it is a well known fact that a true Jewish believer has no other allegience other than to his or her faith hence my concerns of an impartial judgement when it comes to Middle East issues.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 October 2010
18:1873546ken it does you no credit to slur the new leader of the party you spent most of your life supporting.
the fact is that ed has made it clear he is an atheist, his religion of birth has no standing on any decision he is likely to make in the future.
Guest 691- Registered: 24 Oct 2009
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3 October 2010
18:2873552For the record, Ed is an atheist. He is of Jewish descent but he doesn't follow Judaism. Not sure he ever did?
Bit harsh to go on about him not being registered as the father of his child - even the Standard reported him fairly on that one!!
Still, don't let facts get in the way of a good bit of tittle tattle.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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3 October 2010
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3 October 2010
19:0673557Ed Miliband's real test comes at the next round of council elections, Labour do badly and there will be calls for him to go and questions about his legitimacy given the split of votes in his victory as leader, do well and the party faithful and MPs will anoint him.
As BarryW kept reminding all and sundry in the run up to the general election the only valid polls are the ones where the people put a mark on a bit of paper - in the meantime take the opinion polls with a big pinch of salt
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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3 October 2010
19:3473561Matthew (and Keith)
I'm the father of two children and would be ashamed of myself if I wasn't registered as the father - and when mine were born I was working full time the same hours as the register office and no paternity leave so had to make an effort. It's not tittle tattle, to my way of thinking it shows the moral standards of the person involved.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 October 2010
19:4273563totally disagree ray, ed seems to have done nothing underhand or dishonest, in fact he was described as an "angel" by the telegraph when they discovered his expenses claimed were minimal.
it is not as if he has legged it and left the benefits people to pay for their keep.
