Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 September 2010
11:4571974#1
This second rate and overblown politician became a Cabinet member on the basis of a myth propagated by the BBC and The Guardian, desperate to find a 'left wing hero' to fill the gap left the the obviously incompetent Labour regime.
He has clearly been unhappy with the responsibilities of government and openly described opposition as more fun.
With his latest and very silly emotional outburst he has lost all credability with the business community. Business leaders have rightly lined up to condemn him, whatever political allegencies they hold. Digby Jones, a one-time Minister in the Brown government, has joined forces with Lord Turner and many others to condemn Cable. Even Ming Cambell has distanced himself from Cable, telling the BBC that he 'would not have used those words'.
Cable is THE weakest link in the government and always has been. He has now lost all credability with the business community and his position as Business Secretary must be questioned. The government is depending on business growth to lead the way out of recession, the lower that growt the less money government will have to spend. Businesses have and have always had an important role to play. They need a Business Secretary who can command respect and who knows what he is doing.
Time perhaps to sack Cable and bring Laws back into government. Thta would be a good move, drop a second rater and to bring back someone with real talent.
Clegg, apparently, is the one who can sack LibDem Ministers though it is Cameron who has the ultimate say over appointments.
Clegg should act in the interests of the country and get shot of that liability Cable.
A quick addendum to this post:
I have just read a suggestion that there is a degree of stage management about percieved tensions within the coalition. This argument makes sense as there are good strategic reasons for this. But Cable's comments do not make sense and are very unlikely to be part of any stage managed dissention.
Keith Sansum1
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22 September 2010
12:0471975#2
BARRYW;
We agree on this issue but probably for different reasons.
Whatever CABlES plans for the Lib Dem conference, he's not this wooly lib dem now, hes a GOVERNMENT MINISTER speaking on behalf of this COBBLED TOGETHER GOVERNMENT.
For me barryw, i say keep him there, hes doing the co olition destruction a world of good.
If the country's lost faith as barryw says of its government minister, how can the tories continue to support him?
Now, 18 months looking more and more like the reality to others!!!
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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22 September 2010
12:3171978#3
Am just looking at the opening part of Vince Cables speech at conference. He is going down very well with the party faithful.
The interesting thing that has emerged about his speech, it has been vetted and passed by Downing St itself. So nothing radical from Vince in that way, but here's the thing...are Downing Street setting him up as the fall guy, are the Conservatives playing a darker game, in that Vince will be seen as the nasty anti banker? while the Tories sit in the wings allowing Vince to take the flak as he delivers the message that they want delivered. Vince is therefore just the messenger...and we all know what you mustnt do to the messenger...you mustnt shoot him! Nor must you sack him, nor is it likely that he will be sacked as he seems to be dancing to the Downing St Conservative tune.
"Capitalism takes no prisoners and kills competition when it can" says Vince.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 September 2010
12:5971979#4
i believe cable is correct in what he is saying, interesting that the speech was approved by downing street.
this is all getting rather macchiavelian(hope i have spelt that right).
only just got in so missed the speech but the chap on skynews said it was carefully prepared and worded with some wit.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 September 2010
14:1171983#5
As I suggest in my post there is a lot of smoke and mirrors going on and not all is what it seems.
PaulB - I would be very surprised if the trailed speech was sanctioned by Downing Street. If so who there? a LD aide maybe....
Keith - Cable has lost the confidence of the business community, not the country - did the couintry ever have confidence in him?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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22 September 2010
17:5671994#6
BARRYW
I knew at some point you would come round.
So cable doesn't have support of business community, CBI, or the country.
Not good for the cobbled together goverment.
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22 September 2010
21:4572054#7
It was confirmed that the speech was passed by Downing Street - I think, as you say, it is all a great deal more complex than we might think...........
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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22 September 2010
21:5572055#8
You won't find many in the business community happy with his comments.
Interesting that tories might be using him as the fool guy to take the flak.
But I think this is the real Vince Cable I wonder if Mr Cameron has spoken to mr clegg?
how many of these type of speeches can this cobbled together govt afford?
loads more to come
Trident appears to be the big issue
stillwaiting that one
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23 September 2010
08:4572088#9
I think we ned to move past the "cobbled together" description onto the "skillfully woven" view. A government neds the support of the people to succeed.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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23 September 2010
09:1872089#10
i WANT THIS govt to survive
cobb;led together is what they are
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23 September 2010
09:2272091#11
That is no more true than is the case of any coalition.
How much worse the cobbling together would be if Brown managed to somehow form a coalition between Lab/LDs/Unionists/Greens to get a majority - now that really would have been an unstable cobbled together mess.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 September 2010
09:2472092#12
would have been a lot worse if alex salmond had got his way and formed a "progressive" coalition.
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23 September 2010
09:2872094#13
Oh yes - I did not include the two nationalist parties in the coalition Brown needed, even worse. daft expression that though 'progressive' utterly meaningless
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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23 September 2010
09:3172095#14
BARRYW
You will find at no point have I ever said Labour should have gone in to form the govt.
In fact I was very vocal once the election results were known that labour should not form the govt
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 September 2010
09:4372097#15
i am trying to imagine what the s.n.p would have demanded.
i suppose by now we would all be dining on deep fried mars bars and porridge sandwiches.
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23 September 2010
09:4472098#16
I didnt suggest otherwise Keith. The electorate delivered a result we have to do the best with that
23 September 2010
12:1272104#17
Exactly.
23 September 2010
18:5072138#18
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 September 2010
19:0772140#19
excellent article, loved that bit about people approving the free market until a competitor moves in.
look at the average shopkeeper!
i still cannot understand the furore, he criticiced unrestrained capitalism not the free market in general.
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23 September 2010
19:5572153#20
Cable's speech was interesting, though it was most definitely a conference speech aimed at placating the party faithful, unfortunately his language was a little too intemperate for the other audience.
I think much of what he said was on the money, however it need to be much more focussed and targeted.
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