Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Lookout folkestone road
Three times as many Romanians and Bulgarians than are already in Britain could flock here when current restrictions on their movement are lifted at the end of next year, an MP has said.
Romania and Bulgaria's citizens can move to Britain for work when temporary limits expire on December 31 next year Photo: REX FEATURES
By Wesley Johnson, Home Affairs Correspondent
6:56PM GMT 04 Dec 2012
Philip Hollobone told MPs the number of migrants from the two countries who are in the UK could soar from 155,000 to 425,000 within two years and said it was a "disgrace" that the government was refusing to issue its own estimate.
But Mark Harper, the immigration minister, said making predictions was "a very difficult exercise" and bandying around guesses based on poor data and assumptions was not sensible.
Mr Hollobone, the Conservative MP for Kettering, said: "What we are going to see is swathes of our countryside built over to accommodate the millions of new arrivals from the European Union, over which we seemingly have little control.
"Enough is enough."
His comments followed claims last week from planning minister Nick Boles that immigrant families accounted for nearly half of Britain's new housing needs.
Romania and Bulgaria's citizens can move to Britain for work when temporary limits expire on December 31 next year.
Using figures which showed 1.5% of eastern European migrants came to the UK from the eight nations which joined the EU in 2004, Mr Hollobone said the numbers of Romanians and Bulgarians in the UK could jump from 155,000 to 425,000.
But Mr Harper told MPs other EU states were lifting their restrictions on citizens from the two countries at the same time, potentially reducing the numbers coming to the UK.
Keith Sansum1
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#2
this is a concern if correct
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#3
the blues are as bad as the reds, sitting on their hands without a clue as to the numbers likely to arrive.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#4
will lose them even more seats
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#5
Labour and conservative are encouraging EU expansion.
Its EU central policy, Parliament cannot stop this, All EU policy overrides parliament.
Eu membership has been a disaster for this country .
Back in 1973 the politician were saying membership would only mean the French can sell cheese to us, and we can sell milk to the French ,
Not a word about invasion
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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#6
What started as a simple free trade idea has now grown to a free border policy together with too many of our laws being dictated by Europe.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Let's get this one right for starters:
The Government officially encourages EU expansion, Croatia is set to enter the EU this coming year, 2013, and Turkey is expected to join within a few years, with PM Cameron's full support.
Tory policy at Government level is for full integration with the existing EU countries and those that want to join.
The Government IS the EU!
They want hundreds of thousands of more workers from the East of Europe - and eventually Turkey - to emigrate to Britain, with their extended families, because they want to build millions more houses here, as the building industry inflates the GDP (gross domestic product) figures, thus giving the impression the economy is booming, and thereby ensuring votes to these jokers.
The increased costs in NHS, education and other social services is then transferred to the annual budget deficit and from there to the Public Debt through continuous Government borrowing, or transferred to the private sector by way of NHS privatisation.
In return, the privatised NHS bosses reduce all wages to a minimum (except their own), cut staff, leave the hospitals to overflow, and the problem "is solved".
Please do research into Government plans for the building of millions of new houses over the coming two decades. It is all written there black on white! This is not a propaganda stunt of mine, but fact!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#8
It's also part of the DDC core strategy. We may assume that the new incomers will be Bulgarians.
Yes, probably Folkestone Road and the usual.
Brian Dixon
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#9
alex,so you condone a transit camp then.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#10
Nonsense Alexander - especially the bit about DDC.
I do agree that the U.K. has a serious problem with membership of the EU and we cannot do anything about EU immigration whilst members of it.
DDC housing growth has nothing to do with overseas immigration, but home grown.
The 3 major housing areas - Whitfield, and 2 smaller ones at Sholden are 20 to 25 year programs. Families who have children now, will need housing for them and those youngsters who are teenagers now will be looking for decent housing in a few years.
There will be no provision for housing people from overseas who will be on benefits - we want and need people with a good education and good earners, preferably home-grown local people, but perhaps some from the greater London area on good salaries; even those people from the Discovery Park at Sandwich.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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roger,like most things,it comes ans go's on a regular flow.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#12
A large number of these new comers will beacon eligible for counsel housing DDC and social hosing.
EU rules ,all EU citizens to receive equal rights to benefits and housing .
Parliament got no say On the mater.
The problem will not move on Brian,
The poor of the EU will come to the country's offering the best money deals and conditions. (That us by the way )
When construction on Dover redevelopment get under way, the town will fill with building workers.
The cheapest and preferred workers on the books, of the agencies supplying the workforce will be eastern European workers.
It wont be Dover area Locals , you only need to see what's happened in the local factory's to see this
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#13
it is not true that being members of the european union forces us to accept unlimited immigration from member states, others put a cap on how many they let in.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Roger, it so happens the Government does have plans to build millions of houses over the coming few decades, and it is a fact that the Law in Britain CANNOT make any distinction between British and any other person entitled to live here, which includes ALL EU citizens.
What you suggest above is plainly wrong, it would be illegal under current law to exclude any EU citizen to come to Britain and rent a house, or buy one on a mortgage.
Rather unusual for you, Roger, but you have put a spin to your version.
And Keith Bibby is 100% right, the majority of workers in the building industry here in the South East of England, and perhaps in other areas too, are definitely from the East.
A few months back I saw builders along Folkestone Road laying bricks, they spoke what seemed Bulgarian.
Roger this is common knowledge, Keith B has worded it exactly.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I have not put any spin in my posting Alexander.
Houses at Whitfield will not be available for people on benefit, whether from Dover or Eastern Europe, they will be for people in work, whether from Dover or Eastern Europe.
We want to build houses that will help bring wealth to the area, not create an East European ghetto of unemployed benefit claiments.
I too have seen East Europeans laying paving bricks for a front garden in Folkestone Road and a very good job they made of it too; I don't have a problem with anyone from anywhere, so long as they are law-abiding, working, paying rent or a mortgage and adding to society.
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#16
Roger, you are wrong! There is no law saying that houses may be built and not rented out for people on benefits.
There are landlords who buy a house and rent it out, and with the rent-income pay off the mortgage or simply retrieve their expenses (if they paid in full without a mortgage).
There is and can be NO paragraph in the DDC core strategy saying that new houses in Whitfield - or anywhere in Dover- may not be available to people on benefits. If it were not so - if it were as you stated above - the core strategy would be illegal!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#17
In fact, landlords alone decide if they want to rent out to people not on benefits, or also to people on benefits.
It is NOT the State, either central or local, who tells landlords to whom they may or may not rent a house, providing those to whom they rent are legally entitled to live in the UK.
You CANNOT make a core strategy excluding people on benefits from renting a house!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#18
looks like next election issues settled
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#19
The next election issue, Keith, may need addressing, to iron out contradictory statements.
From Roger's post 10: "DDC housing growth has nothing to do with overseas immigration, but home grown."
And from Roger's post 15 "Houses at Whitfield ... will be for people in work, whether from Dover or Eastern Europe."
And: "Houses at Whitfield will not be available for people on benefit, whether from Dover or Eastern Europe".
Coming from DDC Counciller Roger, this certainly opens up questions, as the core strategy for Dover is clearly: UNCLEAR!
I take it, home grown does not count if on benefits (unemployed? just lost a job? been made redundant? receiving a minimum pension?). Very worrying indeed, this! It is certainly not in line with the Law, it smashes through legal boundaries, as well as the evident contradiction in the two statements.
As said, coming from a DDC councillor, this needs to be addressed.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think the idea is that the houses will be for private sale not rent and would be unlikely to appeal to someone that buys up slum properties and lets them out to anyone that comes along.