Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#21
My point Reg is that they prey directly on the relatively poor and ignorant who cannot afford it.
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Keith Sansum1
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#22
PETER;
Please do come on, as m'enroe would have said
'you cannot be serious'
You have stated the looters knew right from wrong in other postings and should rightly be dealt with.
here you are saying people who use the bookies its the bookies that are wrong, no its the person that uses them they have a choice just like the looters
of saying yes i will or no i wont.
on the general terms there are a lot of people to blame if we are looking at why society is in such a state.
i think i have many times said like the MP's legal expenses sham, the bankers to giving its chief exec millions for failing
its all hard to justify when you have nothing, and see no light at the end of tunnel for any improvements.
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#23
Keith I didn't say the looters knew right from wrong. I lamented the fact that the difference had not been taught to them. Therefore what I said was in fact the opposite of what you said above.
My point about bookies and pawnbrokers is that they make much of their money by making poor people poorer.
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#24
peter;
if we are to blame bookies, then we should look far wider about who else made society as it is today, and who else causes the p;roblems we have
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#25
Yes Keith you are right, there are many organisations which make society poorer, the National Lottery and shops like Bright House are further examples of companies which take their income primarily from taking advantage of the poorer members of society. But we live in a free society and drawing the line between what should be controlled and what should not is fraught with difficulty.
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#26
Define a free society........
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#27
A relative term Bern.
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#28
Peter.
What you say is true but you never give the full picture, this gov is taking advantage of the poor, the last gov took advantage of the poor, bankers, big business, all take advantage of the poor. The balance is out of kilter
Taking your point from another thread, of course, you are entirely right in saying business's need to be looked after, investment is needed, growth needs to be encouraged, etc, but you always leave out the workforce, the labour, the ordinary guy, they are just as important, as the managers, without them you don't have business. Again the balance is all wrong.
When you deprive people of something they feel they deserve, they will grab it when they can.
We are not all in this together, anyone who thinks these cuts are not yet biting are on another planet, I can assure you they are and I too question your free society.
Some might not be experiencing these cuts themselves but the evidence is all around for them to see, if they want to see, that is?
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#29
good posting garyc
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#30
I can understand why people grab a loaf of bread when they have none, but a 42 inch plasma TV and a trolley full of expensive trainers? Give me a break.
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#32
Let's not lose sight of the professional looters as well, most of whom will never be caught - at least for this job. This was opportunistic on every conceivable level.
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#33
Gary the banks and big business generally target people with money to spend/lose/invest. The types of businesses I mentioned specifically target the poor. It is easier to separate 1000 poor people from a fiver than it is to separate one rich person from £5k.
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#34
#28 The Bankers,Finance institutes,investment `johnies`` errors have affected everyone.
The cuts,so far, have hit only some of us ( elderly,disabled,people on social credits,low paid,single parents,unemployed to name a few ) when they hit the next tranche of public...then listen to the screams of anguish,foul play of those at present supporting the `too deep too fast`cuts and making` smart`one liner throw away comments.
We are most definitely not all in this together.
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#35
Actually Reg the bankers and their fellow-travellers have so far only damaged their own shareholders in terms of financial loss. The bailout by the government only becomes public spending if a loss results on sale of those assets acquired under the bailout schemes. In the longer term that is unlikely. Keith says you are a greater financial wizard than BarryW so I apologise if I appear to be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs.
And no, there have been no significant cuts so far, only cuts budgeted for future financial years. I do wish you would stick to facts.
I hope this post will escape censure on the basis that there are no one-liners in it. Except this one. Whoops.
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#36
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#37
Reg is clearly trying to avoid answering the big question in his pursuit of the bankers... If he hates them so much and imagines they are so culpable then what about the man who orchestrated their most dangerous activities, urging them to go out and take risks and even changed the banking regulations to enable them to do so - Gordon Brown.
One example was given to me by a former bank Chief Exec, before Brown each bank's top team had to attend the Bank of England every 3 months for a detailed grilling about their activities, this all stopped as soon as Brown changed the regulation system.
By the way - you are being very polite Peter - I admire your restraint.
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#38
PETER;
I stated Reg has as much(if not more)knowledge than barryw not he definatly had more, but that was also to say there are a number of forumites with a lot of knowledge to.
Reg
well done for showing so much restraint
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#39
Clearly irony is beyond you Keith.....
Reg has yet to show any knowledge at all of finance and the markets. I wont hold my breath.
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#40
BARRYW
It comes as no surprize to myself and many other posters that you feel you are the only one that knows best
still, everyone to there own
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