howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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8 September 2010
09:4169296kent county council are starting a scheme whereby schools can borrow books from the library.
under the new scheme schools can borrow 100 books for up to 8 weeks free of charge.
until now schools had to pay for books borrowed from the library, so this will be a saving for the education dept.
i am trying hard to see any benefit here, kcc run both the schools and libraries so surely the money saved by the schools will be lost by the libraries?
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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8 September 2010
10:1169308Yes looks like shifting deck chairs on the Titanic. Perhaps its something to do with one KCC dept having more of a budget than the other.
Guest 694- Registered: 22 Mar 2010
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8 September 2010
10:1569309surely it means the library will have to stay a little bit more update with books, and schools wont have to each individually buy the same books, for instance if you wanted a book that has just been published for a lesson, you can borrow it from the library for free and that put it back into the pool, advising friends who teach the same subject that its back in the pool for their lessons..
so long term gain, as schools will spend less of books, which i am presuming will eventually be shifted back to librarys.
I do remember a lot of old books at dggs and i hope they have been kept, there were some fab ones.
8 September 2010
10:4169312Books? Libraries? What century are you living in?
What will happen to a Kent school I used to teach in which had got rid of every book in their library filling the place with computers and renaming it a 'Learning Zone'?
Apart from the implication that the rest of the site was therefore a zone dealing with something other than learning, it seemed to be used as an internet cafe so students could keep up their semi-literate grunting at each other on 'social networking sites', playing computer games and continuing their elusive search for pictures of Britney Speare's front bottom!
The excellent computer facilities were shown proudly at each parents' evening as proof that we were equiping the drongos for the 'world of work' in spite of the fact that most were leaving school functionally illiterate and/or innumerate (as they are at any school with less than 50% A* - C including English and Maths, which I note includes EVERY secondary school in the Dover area which is non grammar).
Jan Higgins
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8 September 2010
10:4569313Surely this is a way to keep libaries going, with internet access books can't be used as much as they used to be. I can imagine teachers printing things off and/or telling the children the internet site to visit.
Having said that nothing beats a book.
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8 September 2010
10:5169314It might introduce children to the concept of libraries and the possibility of reading all sorts of things without having to pay for and/or keep something which later proves uninteresting. It is a mistake to believe that all children are grunting neadanderthals. I believe there are still interested, curious and intelligent children out there who we should be encouraging with all our might. In any case does it matter whether they read books or something like Kindle as long as they DO initially get interested.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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8 September 2010
11:4169319 I didn`t always pay attention to what the teacher was talking about back in my school day`s, one main reason being that if I had a book in front of me, I`d be going through the pages eagerley reading bits and viewing any picture`s. In a nutshell, I loved reading through geography, history and sometimes English books. I learnt alot that way, and it gave me a lifetime of interest in many subjects. I still have a few school book`s which I borrowed permanently from my days at Archers Court back in the sixties, date stamped 20 NOV 1962. The picture above shows one such book on the right from Mr F G Thomas` geography class, and the one on the left may bring back memories to other`s on here of the Wide Range Reader books, from the 1950s and sixties, the example above I bought off Ebay along with a few other`s. I`ve always had a great love of books, and I`m sure they`ll always leave more of a lasting impression than anything that the internet could.
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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8 September 2010
16:1169342Hear hear Colin, through handling and looking at books when very young we get an interested in reading, and gain information, good grammar, AND those people who read a lot are generally good at spelling - not the American spelling on the computers!!
You find the houses which don't have books are the ones where the children can fall behind with language, reading, writing etc.
Reading and looking at books with young children is one of the best ways parents can make sure their children use them in their future.
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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8 September 2010
16:2869346We were just told by library staff that the limit for individual borrowing has gone up to 30 books per person - I think KCC are trying to cut back on library building costs by getting books stored in schools and houses.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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8 September 2010
17:4569349Hard to see a point to this as, certainly in Aycliffe, the mobile library visits the school once a fortnight for the children to borrow and return books. Oh the fun we have sdearching their rooms when the overdue notices arrive.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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8 September 2010
17:4969350my understanding is that the new system is for class room books only.
chris, the ones that the kids select from the mobile library would be for their enjoyment i assume.
Brian Dixon
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8 September 2010
19:1369362yep,spider man,batman and judge dreed.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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8 September 2010
19:1869365i suspected that brian.
ray
did i read your post correctly, that anyone can borrow 30 books at one time from a library?
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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8 September 2010
20:2569370And hear hear to you too Kath. I`ve had manager`s and supervisor`s above me who`ve been appalling speller`s, in jobs which they would never have got year`s ago for that reason. Of course though, reading isn`t for everybody, and the Dover library is a good example of that for the number of people I ever see in there.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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8 September 2010
21:0569380Bob, you have a point there! Schools have been insisting over the past few decades on computer skills, but not everyone who can run a computer knows how to run an orchard!
Also, most factory jobs have nought to do with computer skills. The same applies for many other spheres of work: painting and decorating, gardening, plumbing.... computers are not the solution to finding work for everyone.
Schools should actually have lessons - at least two hours a week - dedicated to basic factory work and other elementary skills as they will be found in real life, just enough to let young people know what awaits them later in life.
As for computer games, they could actually be the cause of ill-health, if children sit for hours in front of a screen playing them. I personally would consider banning computer games and all nude pictures from internet, for the sake of children!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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8 September 2010
21:1169383with you completely alexander, i will delete all my nude pics immediately.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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8 September 2010
21:2069385Thanks, Howard.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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8 September 2010
21:2169386Children ought to learn to play bagpipes at school too!
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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8 September 2010
22:4769412Howard, late reply but that's what we were told!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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8 September 2010
22:5269414ray
i never take out more than two on the grounds that someone else might be looking for one of them.
i thought that the limit would have been about 4.
