Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 February 2009
09:5115858#1
According to the Sunday Times today a new Government leaflet is telling people to avoid trying to convince their children the difference between right and wrong when talking to them about sex. They say that children should be left to form their own views and values.
One on the most basic and important things a parent must do is teach their children right from wrong and to pass on their values. We have done that with ours and judging from our oldest son it has been very successful, listening to him talk to our younger boys at times is just like listening to ourselves talk to them. Yes, it is difficult to do and sometimes they will go through phases of 'revolt', but by sticking with it and drawing strict boundaries you will turn out better more balanced and responsible member of the community.
This leaflet does indeed say it all about this oh so politically correct Government. Forget right and wrong, forget morality - interfering, nannying and wrong, wrong, wrong
22 February 2009
10:4815864#2
Let's be clear: either the government is nannying or it is neglecting its duties. Which is it? My own position, which is clear, is that we have a duty to teach values and principles to our children and to demonstrate and evidence the conseqeunces of actions. but if one is going to have a swipe at governmental directives please can we be clear which direction that swipe takes??!!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 February 2009
10:5115865#3
Both directions Bern.
1/ For interfering and nannying in the first place
2/ When doing so, for encouraging the wrong things.
On both counts the Government is wrong - a morality free zone that does not know right from wrong.
22 February 2009
11:1215866#4
Then it must be that it is not just this government then. Both hues have, over time, introduced some fairly idiotic and unnecessary legislation and direction. I share your concerns about the intrusive nature of some recent governmental leads - ID cards, DNA sampling, the recent rubbish about using mobile phones to store ones access to money - and it all adds up to a controlling and powerful State. But it has been coming for a long time with cross-party collusion.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 February 2009
11:3515870#5
governments do like to talk down to us with the aid of leaflets.
the five items of fruit and/or veg a day is a prime example.
how many toffee apples can one person eat?
22 February 2009
11:5615872#6
And it can take long minutes to get to the chillies at the bottom of the vodka bottle...........
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 February 2009
12:5015877#7
I note Bern that you have not tried to defend this leaflet but just try to paint all governments with the same brush.
I remember when the left used to critisise Mrs T's Government for being too 'laissez fare' and not nannying both in the economic and social sense. That blows your point out of the water.
Mrs T broadly did get this right but there was more she could have done to further reduce the power of the State. One charge against her was in exerting too much power over local goverment in her fight against extremist left wing councils.
Since 1997 we have had the most interfering nannying Government in our history. Given their lack of competence it is no surprise that we are in the appalling state we are.
DC though has localisation at the centre of his policies. Reducing the number and power of these quangoes that issue such idiotic leaflets as this on behalf of the Government is part of that.
22 February 2009
13:2915882#8
Absolutely not trying to defend the indefensible!! I am not sure which of my points has been blown away......I think all governments of all colours in recent years have been guilty of neglect and extreme control in equal measures without ever coming near to getting it right. I have no doubt that the next government will do the same. Our political life has taken a downward turn ever since we started aping the Americans and their brand of personality politics and reducing our respect for intellect and integrity in politics.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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22 February 2009
15:0915883#9
this nanny/american styel polatics is so soul destroying,it makes you want to turn your back on this country and move to somwhere more pleasnt.
Sid Pollitt
22 February 2009
16:3615886#10
Maybe the tactic is to make people despair by highlightling/ spinning stories and then the Tories can come in on their white horses and put things right. A return of a back to basics?
22 February 2009
17:0315891#11
Tories, Socialists, left, right, they have all let us down inrecent times with their USA copycat electioneering. Spin is an old job - rather like the Oldest Profession but slightly seedier - but it has been out-spun since the 60s and we are reaping the non-benefits.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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22 February 2009
18:1015892#12
labour has lost its way with american style politics,dc torys have no policys at all and they are still in the wildernes,as for the lib/dems god help us.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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22 February 2009
18:5515897#13
So its a vote for Vic then?
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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22 February 2009
19:1215903#14
there is allways the the grumpy old men party.
22 February 2009
19:3015904#15
It clearly has my vote if you know my Old Man!!
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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22 February 2009
21:0515909#16
I'm your man,after a week of nights Grumpy is right and old man gets closer every day.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
22 February 2009
22:1315911#17
It's my birthday soon, and my husbands the day after: I have told him we should really celebrate this year as we have fewer birthdays all the time to look forward to we should make the most of the ones we have left!!!!!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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23 February 2009
10:0015925#18
True about birthdays Bern. Mine is only a week or two away.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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23 February 2009
18:0815942#19
That is the 5th of March, for all those planning to send Barry W a card. Go on, you know you want to.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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23 February 2009
18:1815944#20
Mine is on the 11th if you are sending cards,going back to the serious stuff,what matters is you vote,if you do feel free to critise,if you don't vote,then just remember your one vote can make the difference,don't believe me,well a couple of years ago in Dover there was a dead heat,one vote would have made a big difference.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!