Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
Sad news in London, where 6 innocent people lost there lives and 48 people injured, some serious.
My thoughts are with all the families.
No one can justify this
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Guest 1849- Registered: 12 Sep 2016
- Posts: 440
After Manchester you announced you wouldn't post on here out of respect.
Does your virtue signalling know no bounds?
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
I thought it was three innocent people and the three who carried out the attack.Its a very very sad world we live in .True values and respect have been lost.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
now 7 victems plus 3 arse##oles.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,167
This is getting too bloody regular. I'm fast running out of tea-lights/balloons. Let's 'carry on as normal'. That'll show them.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I do not find the above post in anyway fun to read. What happen is very sad .
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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I think the response from the police is to be admired with the incident actually all over in eight minutes, not that they knew that at the time.
Yet again three murders using their faith as an excuse to kill and maim, these people are an insult to their religion and only use it as an excuse to kill.
To me they are simply murdering scum they do not even deserve the dubious rank of terrorists.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
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Vic Matcham wrote:I do not find the above post in anyway fun to read. What happen is very sad .
Not fun to read at all Vic - but reflecting the weasel words that far too many have used in the past.
Thank Christ Theresa May has just made her statement this morning and we are looking to a change in direction
May says this is the third terror attack Britain has experienced in three months, after the Westminster and the Manchester Arena attacks.
The police have disrupted five credible attacks since the Westminster attack, May says.
The prime minister says we are seeing a new style of attack. People are copying each other.
Things need to change in four important ways, she says:
First, the attackers are bound together by Islamist extremism. It is an ideology that claims our values are incompatible with Islam. Defeating this is one of the great challenges of our time.
It will not be defeated by the maintenance of a counter-terrorism operation. It will only be turned around by persuading people are values are better.
Second, we cannot give the terrorists safe space. But that is what the internet provides.
May proposes to redouble international efforts to control extremism on the internet.
Third, there must be action at home.
May says there is “far too much tolerance of extremism in our country”.
This will require some embarrassing and difficult conversations, she says.
Fourth, we need to review the counter-terrorism strategy, to ensure the police have the powers they need.
May proposes to review counter-terrorism laws, and suggests longer sentences for some offences. (Guardian)
It wasn't the Dunkirk Spirit that defeated the Nazis. It was flattening Dresden.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
A wise move not to defer the General Election that would have been seen as a great success by Jihadists and their supporters.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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The events have damn all to do with the election just as the outrages in Europe over the past few years had damn all to do with their political processes.
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John Buckley
- Registered: 6 Oct 2013
- Posts: 615
May says there is “far too much tolerance of extremism in our country”. Don't tell us love, just DO something about it, but I'm not holding my breath! Does anyone really expect much change from our lily-livered politicians? I don't suppose for one minute that cutting the number of police officers on our streets helps much either.
Anyone got any ideas of how to reduce these terrible attacks from taking place, not that we're actually paid to come up with solutions of course? How about, just for starters, we pay a decent amount for information leading to individuals being charged with terrorist activities. Easy to fund as well, just take it out of the foreign aid budget!
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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John Buckley wrote: I don't suppose for one minute that cutting the number of police officers on our streets helps much either.
1) Cressida Dick said the police are well resourced.
2) All three terrorists dead in 8 minutes.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I think we have reached the stage where internment of suspects has to be seriously considered. The Manchester bomber travelled to Syria then returned and the security forces knew of this, also according to reports they had a tip off that he was likely to commit an atrocity. I don't know anything about funding for the security services but I doubt it has been raised to match the terror level we are facing today. Border Force funding is another concern.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
I think the figure of 20,000 possible terrorists has been mentioned, how on earth can the security people keep 24hr surveillance on them all which is what it would take to know if they really are a problem.
Any one on a known suspect list who leaves the country (unless for a very good reason) should not be allowed to return. Internment will only increase resentment and for how long would it be months, years or forever.
If this terrorism keeps up with no kind of peace agreement I can see all our police will end up being armed.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Thanks Captain, maybe the figure I gave was to do with the number of reportings that come in via the various hotlines that the authorities have to sort through.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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12 arrests in Barking, doesn't surprise me as I remember about 20 years ago the Gascoigne Estate was a no go area unless you were of Bangla Desh or Pakistani origin. Wasn't a case of religion in those days, more of deprivation and basic racism which made it a great breeding ground for potential terrorists.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,259
If that's the one just off the N. Circular, I used to service lifts there and always felt very welcome in every home but outside you felt there was always tension simmering below the surface.
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Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Wasn't a case of religion in those days, more of deprivation and basic racism which made it a great breeding ground for potential terrorists.
So we somehow 'deserve' what has happened? For God's sale Howard when the Hell will this country stop trying to beat itself up?
Melanie nailed it over a decade ago
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/londonistan-by-melanie-phillips-409502.html
(Copies available for £0.01 + P&P with Amazon)
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
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