Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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.... Judge Bowers, the guilty man........for being unfit for the job.
This complete and utter idiot - Judge Bowers, praised burglars for 'their courage' when he freed a 26 year old who was found guilty of three burglaries and one attempted burglary in 5 days to feed a drug habit.
This criminal was previously cautioned for burglary and was once jailed 3 years for arson.
What kind of message is this idiot judge sending out?
What this man said was
'It takes a huge amount of courage as far as I can see for somebody to burgle somebody's house. I wouldn't have the nerve'.
Note that he did not say that he said nothing about him having better morals than the burglar, just that he would not have the nerve.
This man brings our joke of a legal system into even more disrepute.
With judges like this no wonder parts of this country are turning into a moral free cesspit.
Keith Sansum1
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Not knowing the full story behind this it appears this guy is out of touch
and certainly not got it right
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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he is not alone, take a look at local court reports on kent online to see how most of them live in a different world to the general public.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"His Honour Judge Bowers, on the North Eastern Circuit since 18th of October 1995."
[not that this is laid out, but...] He will/may have had a long career appearing in front of Judges in criminal cases. Most likely for the Defence, but this is not stated.
http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/
While those who make the law are free, seemingly, to avoid the truth and throw insults around willy-nilly, these same do enjoy a brief respite from the long couple of hours or so they spend under the public gaze (in common with their 'fluffers' in the media) with a tight 'quote' from the utterances of others.
Prestidigitation, I calls it.
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Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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Maybe someone should go along and burgle his home. No we do not know all the story but the statement he has made to one and all of the criminal type is disgusting. So now if you have the courage to do the crime you do not have to do the time.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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barry,can i sugest buying a suitible leanth of rope and giving to the idiot judge as you call him,then tell him what its for.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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but not use it as im against such ways
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Jan Higgins
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Harry, you just posted my thoughts, I hope this fool of a judge will be burgled very soon as he seems to think it is ok to steal others property.
I thought that training for the law included being careful with wording I think this idiot seems to needs to go on a refresher course.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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kieth,a suitable lenth of rope can be used for many things,what you thought is only one of them.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Oh, what frail beings we humans are...
"Two police officers prosecuted over mentally ill man's death"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/06/police-officers-prosecuted-deathIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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As this judge has these kind of thoughts (and admiration for burglars - apparantly ?), he is so obviously out of touch and should be struck off.
He is a good example of what is wrong with our judiciary.
Roger
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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The felon in question was assigned a prison place, the key is there for him to pick-up or not.
Why he could not simply have been so sentenced without recourse to any justification; tasteless or bland, is the question. That he was out on license from a, presumably foreshortened, previous prison-term bodes-ill for the effectiveness of correction over social-environment so that he is either to be adjudged worthy of an opportunity to get himself together or considered lost to law abiding civil society and therefore a considerable on-going drain on public funds/source of continued profit (depending on your point of view).
If we were to consider this in the simplest of terms, cash terms, without recourse to any thoughts:human, humane, philosophical etc.. We can see that there is a general willingness to expend vast sums on a head-stone to bury alive such as he, and not so much as a thought to the ever-tightening purse strings which constrain (lamentably constrain) any and all effort to widen the possibilities for socio-economic advancement for such as he.
Imagine...
The occupiers of the 'middle-class' homes burgled are either out all day, themselves struggling, working in commerce to keep a roof over their heads, or in public service:health/social care etc. for much the same ends. Are these people best advised to put money aside for a cage, or a series of cages - Russian Doll style - , to keep themselves safe?
Just what or who is it that inflicts this hellish dichotomy upon hard working, law abiding citizens and their families? What or who profits by so-doing?
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P.S.
Thinking of crossing the Bar?...
http://magistratesblog.blogspot.co.uk/Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Well, that killed further discussion Tom.
I'm not sure I fully follow your thoughts, but are you saying that we should question the value of prison, or some kind of softly softly approach to try to help these people back on the straight and narrow ?
There is of course, the option of when we see that we cannot change people into being model citizens, or even just law-abiding, we top 'em to save money ?
Roger
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a-"Softly softly"
b-"Model citizens"
c-"Save money"
A-Life IS cruel, the past IS littered with examples. Has human society then attained it's zenith in knowing how to best utilise cruelty? If 'prison' is the answer, what is the question.
B-Is there an agreed definition of what a 'citizen' is? Without that how could we form an opinion as to what the optimum 'Model' might be.
C-On the one hand is the rut:Lies, damn lies and Statistics, on the other; can money be saved? The word itself feels as if it is more verb than noun.
All of that and yet no mention of, "top 'em", but do any of us harbour an ambition to emulate Tony Blair, and rain death down upon others just because we can.
A wise fellow would not pick out "value" as a sub-topic, but then again dear Roger, you are stuck with me. 'Utility', isn't it? Prison IS the answer because (in the main - most definitely) prison is for other people.
When 'they' are in prison (learning something new every day, building relationships, lying alone and bored or in association and bored, musing or chewing-the-fat over how it might have been/how it could be, if only...they didn't get caught)
Perhaps what all this is about is 'despair'. 'They' constantly/incessantly/wilfully refuse to toe the (my!) line and so must suffer the consequences.
The root of the problem, I-M-'H'-O, is that: All begins with despair. This is the one lesson learned from history, and (oddly) what we are doomed to carry forward.
Simply: 'They' do toe-the-line, and how. Burglars, for instance, add an extra dimension to 'inbuilt obsolescence', product development and the fad/fashion re-purchase of goods. Police, Courts, Social Services, Insurance and the general and home security industry;not to mention Prisons. Where would they be without the feckless felon?
Who better oils the wheels of consumerism: The trade delegation led by a minor (or not so minor) Royal, or the humble house-breaker? [sometimes the tongue will not stay within the confines of the teeth]
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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As a child I was taught right from wrong, and although poor should i have ever crossed the line i was fully expectant to suffer the consequences.
today for many prison is the easy option.
I don't disagree that we should be hard on the criminals, but we do need to recognise the prisons are full to over flowing, and for some (lighter crimes)then maybe other options?
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thanks Tom - I understood it more the second time round.
That's true Keith, I think most of us were taught right from wrong when we were growing up, but many kids are not taught that nowadays, because many of the parents don't know that difference.
The prisons wouldn't be so full if criminals from overseas were went back to their home country to serve their sentence - it would also save a considerable amount of money - unless of course the prisons were filled with our own criminals.
Roger
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Other options, Keith, could be to offer paid employment.
And perhaps some guidance in morals and ethics.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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firstly prisons being full has little to do with immigration roger, shame that was used.
we do have a problem as to what to do now our prisons are full
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