#1
Have spent most of the day on Shakespeare Beach with my granddaughter and her friends, why do people think they can use that beach as a tip for there rubbish there were beer cans pop bottles babies nappies
and all sort of crap left down there it would take a twelve man team to clean that up, now this is were people should pay £1.50 per day to use that beach then the money goes to the cleaners then maybe they would take there rubbish home and I would say 80 percent of that rubbish came from people on this estate, they would not do it in there homes so why on a public beach.And we need three rubbish bins along there that might help if people see there are bins they might use them.
Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#2
Ah that was you I saw through my binoculars then Alan lol.
We spent the afternoon up at St Martins battery and while I was checking out the shipping I spied a family down on Shakespeare beach, now I know who it was.
Totally agree about the rubbish though, sometimes I feel I'd like to bag it all up and put it through the letterbox of those responsible!!
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#3
For the Celts, nature is a manifestation of holiness!
I recommend reading books on Celtic monasticism and Celtic Saints!
It should be taught in British schools, for children to learn to respect nature.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#4
Educating them on Celtic monasticism will not make these ignorant, lazy people take their rubbish home Alexander - they just don't care about their environment.
Maybe talks in schools by someone may help some of the youngsters tell their parents not to do it, but it would be a long haul exercise.
On the other hand, zero tolerance on litter dropping and fly-tipping, would have quicker results - I'm sure if people were fined £80 on the spot for dropping litter, they'd do it much less and have it publicised too - name and shame; they could do that with dog-poo too.
The Council would have to provide many more bins though as they are very few and far between, apart from in Town.
Roger
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#5
Name and shame with large posters in prominent places far better than any fine, I know I would hate to be shown up in such a way.
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#6
We get the society we deserve though. Thousands down here on the seafront yesterday with the usual rubbish left behind..bottles thrown in the sea and what have you. At one point a young lad was playing with the Lifebuoy thing. I thought to myself he shouldnt be playing with that, but then thought no more about it thinking he would put it back when the novelty wore off.
Some time later I saw it floating a good way out in the sea. He had clearly thrown it into the sea rope and all.. so it couldnt be retrieved. This is a safety item and could save a life. Somebody must have called the police because the Police Boat came racing to the scene, the harbour master boat came, and a police car on dry land...all came. Another young lad at this point bravely swam out to get it and bring it back.
However back to the rubbish, the DHB cleaner guys, a company called Fountain now I think, cleaned everything up. It is looking immaculate now as was said on another thread.
#7
Totally agree with you Roger. I still remember the "Keep Britain Tidy" campaign.
There absolutely should be zero tolerance, but who is to police it?
#8
Can't that eejit who disposed of the lifebuoy be prosecuted for endangering life?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#9
Roger, I stand my groung, and go a step further and say that the Town or District Council could introduce a periodical contact with schools, whereby someone speaks to the children of the need to dispose of litter in the appropriate litter-containers, or take it home and throw it away if there are no bins.
The authorities must establish contact with the people, and talk. No one is perfect, and children in particular tend to follow examples of others, so if litter is lying around, many have the habit of doing the same.
My mother taught me in no uncompromising way never to throw litter on the street or in the country. Roger, you must establish contact with young people and teach them not to do so!
If children are not taught, they won't learn. It's not good enough just to complain!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#10
I agree with what you are saying Alexander, but who goes to the schools to teach the young about rubbish ?
This should be taught to them by their parents, it's not difficult; the trouble is that the parents are worse.
My point above was that teaching children about Celtic Monasticism won't help.
Roger
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#11
Roger, Celtic monasteries were set up in the British Isles and spread to Germany, France, Switzerland (Sankt Gallen!), Austria, Iceland...
The missionaries were known as Scots, even though many came from Ireland, and for centuries were preferred to the Roman clergy and favoured by the nobility of western Europe.
Young Anglo Saxons in the seventh century attended them too, which helped to spread the Faith In England.
How can you say that teaching Celtic Monasticism to children in British schools won't help?
Precisely because they don't do it is why you see litter everywhere!
#12
Sooooooooooo.......... a direct outcome of failing to teach our children Celtic Monasticism is litter on the beach. You must tell me who connected your synapses for you, Alexander - I want mine wired that way too!
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#13
Reading books and researching is the best way to inform oneself, Bern!
#14
You are pushing at an open door here, Alexander!
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#15
True indeed, Bern; only, many people do not read and research as much as they could, hence schools should do a lot more for children, to enhance a sense of respect for nature.
My Dad taught me that cleanliness is next to Godliness.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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#16
Alexander
the role of schools needs to be defined by the government though I do not think politicians have a full grasp of what education should be about. Teachers cannot be educators, social workers, minsters, counsellors, psychotherapists etc without full resourcing and training. Neither of these are forthcoming despite the demands.
Society as a whole (though since Mrs T. I am not sure anyone knows what society is) needs to stand up and take responsibility.
We feel uncomfortable telling people that their behaviour is upsetting/anti-social in fear of verbal/physical abuse and I am not sure how we change that but I don't think that schools can shoulder all the responsibility.
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#17
I took my children with a friend down to the beach on Wednesday, we didn't take much as we weren't planning to spend much time but even then we created litter as all people do, drink bottles, carrier bags etc. As always when they had finished using something disposable I told my children to put it in the bin, which they dutifully did. At which point I noticed that most of the bins in the vicinity of where we had sat were full to overflowing. This also often happens with many of the bins in town, it therefore crossed my mind that certain people may litter because the bins are too full. It doesn't justify their actions but does give a certain explanation to some of their actions. It must be said therefore that perhaps if the bins in town were emptied more regularly then the problem may lessen.
It's not the man in my life, its the life in my man!!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#18
Mark, Celtic abbots didn't use verbal or physical abuse, and I find it unlikely that children will get up and attack a teacher for teaching to respect nature and not to litter the town and country!
I've been to school myself, you know!
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#19
Fifteen children aged between four and six are being excluded from school each day for attacking teachers. Experts blamed soft parenting and teaching for creating a generation unable to respect authority or interact socially without lashing out, while teachers' leaders blame parents for spiralling bad behaviour. Chris Keates of the NASUWT said: 'Teachers are not receiving the support they need from parents, school leaders or government.
AlexD
Please discuss using no more than 100 words and without any reference to celts,kilts,quilts etc.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#20
Marek, I think you write many long posts that are even longer than mine, and more frequent, and I don't tell you not do so.
And I don't tell you not to write about the catholic church either!
As for Celts, Marek, they are people, and I see no reason why they should be discriminated against by forbidding people to mention them.
You always mention the ethnic origins of your family!