Keith Sansum1
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It appears Mr Phelps(prob through age/health is stepping back , trustees are talking to KCC and funders so hopefully this will move it forward
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Captain Haddock
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One would hope English Heritage might come on board. Unlike KCC they actually specialise in this sort of thing, have oodles of money to spare and could run it as a 'satellite' of Dover Castle.
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Ross Miller
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I agree Bob on this point & would add that KCC dont have a pot to pee in at the moment and have minimal expertise in the best way to preserve manage and run this type of thing
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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If we made the most of our heritage assets, the Castle, Grand Shaft, Fort Burgoyne, Roman painted house , the Maison Dieu, Dover could be a real tourist attraction. But it needs a concerted effort to transform these assets and for all parties to work together- they are an enormous resource, the money being spent on the Market Square could have been much better used. Fort Burgoyne is being restored but all these places need to be working together. Bring in the transport museum too.
I can’t be alone in being frustrated by the lack of focussed thinking.
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Arthur I agree and it is slowly (too slowly in my view) changing, though to date the biggest stumbling blocks have been EH & RPH who didnt want to play with anyone else. We see from the comments above that this may well change with RPH & I understand from Destination Dover that EH are thawing towards the idea of working more closely with others. Fingers crossed this happens in our lifetime, especially given the restoration & renovation of Maison Dieu as well as the work The LAnd Trust are doing at Fort Burgoyne.
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Dover History Pages- Registered: 12 Dec 2020
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Ross Miller wrote:Arthur I agree and it is slowly (too slowly in my view) changing, though to date the biggest stumbling blocks have been EH & RPH who didnt want to play with anyone else. We see from the comments above that this may well change with RPH & I understand from Destination Dover that EH are thawing towards the idea of working more closely with others. Fingers crossed this happens in our lifetime, especially given the restoration & renovation of Maison Dieu as well as the work The LAnd Trust are doing at Fort Burgoyne.
*Historic England as they now are, English Heritage is the tourism part of the split and Historic England the legal side.
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Captain Haddock wrote:One would hope English Heritage might come on board. Unlike KCC they actually specialise in this sort of thing, have oodles of money to spare and could run it as a 'satellite' of Dover Castle.
EH hardly have any money, they are a self funding charity, just look at at the peripherals of Dover Castle and the amount of Western Heights under their 'guardianship', they won't be interested on taking on the RPH !
alexiatrade- Registered: 10 Oct 2018
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If you want a clock on English Heritage..........look at the Drop Redoubt....!! manned totally by Volunteers.
The Classicus Britainnicus Roman Fort in Dover...in it's entirety....was too hot to handle in Dover...the access to the Port took priority...
Hence it is buried in Sand and Concrete under the Hump of York Street....
A Town that denies its past and history......will have no future...and this is being played out.......
Even the Bronze Age Boat was partially saved...the rest lies buried in the underpass.....to much effort and expense to save the whole.....
alexiatrade- Registered: 10 Oct 2018
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubris.............
Nobody wanted the Romans.............It was an inconvenience for The Dover Harbour Board and the dancing aprons and handshakes
...............wrong place for access to the Port.....I have a CD on the dig...so amazing and scary.....
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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The point I'm making is there has been a move to work with agencies that are going to help with the RPH but also tourism in general .
Visiting other areas you see how well they do
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Arthur- Registered: 18 Nov 2020
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In my opinion Dover fails because too much time is spent talking rather than doing. The result is that everything arrives too late, after the momentum has been lost. Example: St James Development- talked up for years as an extension to the High Street, when it eventually delivered it offered little new but robbed the High Street of shops. Example: Fastrack- a bus service for commuters when people are reducing commuting in their droves. What is the point in redesigning the Market Square? How is that meant to attract investors? What happened to the Banksy? The most exciting attraction recently!
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Dover History Pages wrote:EH hardly have any money, they are a self funding charity, just look at at the peripherals of Dover Castle and the amount of Western Heights under their 'guardianship', they won't be interested on taking on the RPH !
I am well aware of the taper on funding from HMG to EH or whatever they call themselves.
Perhaps if they spent more time preserving our heritage rather than 're-imagining the idea of Englishness at heritage sites across the country' and pursuing a false narrative of the lie that 'we have always been a country of mass immigration' I might have more sympathy.
With 1,044,000 Members, an annual income of c.£40 million and every site I've visited being staffed mostly by 'volunteers' I don't see spending a few bob on DPH or indeed Fort Burgoyne which they are supposed to be looking after on our behalf to be asking too much.
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AndyPol
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Captain Haddock wrote:I am well aware of the taper on funding from HMG to EH or whatever they call themselves.
Perhaps if they spent more time preserving our heritage rather than 're-imagining the idea of Englishness at heritage sites across the country' and pursuing a false narrative of the lie that 'we have always been a country of mass immigration' I might have more sympathy.
With 1,044,000 Members, an annual income of c.£40 million and every site I've visited being staffed mostly by 'volunteers' I don't see spending a few bob on DPH or indeed Fort Burgoyne which they are supposed to be looking after on our behalf to be asking too much.
Have you been to the Castle recently? They are spending plenty of that £40 million on restoring the castle after years of neglect under military (UK government) ownership. Yes it would be lovely to spend some of that on RPH, but let us give them a chance....
By the way, when I went to Portland Castle, the EH (employee, not volunteer) lady said we were so lucky to live in Dover and she would love to work at our castle. Everything is relative.....
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