14 August 2009
23:2027248#1
I hear tonight that a large group of drunken teenagers have rioted over at the Lincs, breaking into shops causing disruption which involved approx 12 police cars 2 ambulances and even a police helicopter. Anybody elborate any more???
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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15 August 2009
07:2527255#2
We heard/saw a helicopter before it got dark last night; it was thought to be a Kent Air-Ambulance.
Where do these kids buy their drink ? cut off that source and it would help enormously.
The normal "peace-loving" residents must be frightened out of their wits.
The trouble with many "ferral" kids is that they haven't had a normal upbringing (what's normal nowadays ?) and have never been told no, so they do exactly what they want to do and sod everyone else.
ASBO's are now a "badge of honour", not something to be be scared of.
Roger
Terry Nunn
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15 August 2009
07:5027258#3
We also saw the helicopter at about 9.30 last night. It flew from Melbourne Ave area to the town. We then saw a car (police?) driving round Rix's field possibly chasing someone.
The answer to your question Roger is that they stand outside off-licences and minimarts and ask adults to get it for them. So you see it's not just the kids that are at fault. Perhaps the shop owners should be more aware of what's outside.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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15 August 2009
09:0127261#4
difficult one terry if there is only the owner of the shop or one member of staff, he/she dare not leave the shop for a minute, the shelves would be looted.
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15 August 2009
09:2527266#5
Have to say if the Police did something about the people who sell the drink to under age children.
Which we in Buckland have tried to combat for the past six years.
This selling of Alchol is not done by responsible shop owners but people who live in the area who will sell drink to anyone of any age.
15 August 2009
09:3727267#6
I would, personally, rip their hearts out. But only after I had removed their masculinity. They are scum, and singlehandedly contribute, along with drug pushers, to the degradation and corruption of our young. I am, you understand, a moderate on this matter.
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15 August 2009
12:0927278#7
Even if you stopped selling booze in ordinary shops they would still get hold of it.
We have drug pushers the next step would be booze pushers, and making a mint out of it.
Ian...
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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15 August 2009
12:5727279#8
It is clear by reports on TV that alcohol is a problem, most shop owners are responsible, but there responsibility stops once the person buying goods leaves the shop.
Its other adults that can be a problem who buy booze/fags for those underage.
Sadly we have other posts on other subjects where this selfish society started, and now we are reaping what people have been saying for some time.
Whether its under age drinking, 24 hour pubs, etc sadly England aint ready for it
Those adults found giving alcohol/fags to under age should get stiff penalties, unless this happens the problems will continue.
This is of course only part of the problem, prosecute any shops found guilty of selling to under age, do that a few times they will soon stop.
Only by working together can we solve these problems
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15 August 2009
17:1027288#9
The penalties for selling alcohol to under-age people should be very stiff indeed and the shops/offlicenses fined heavily maybe even have their licence taken away.
As Keith says, those adults found giving/buying for youngsters should be fined heavily, but unless the magistrates help in this regard, nothing will change.
Good comments Bern.
Roger
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15 August 2009
22:4627305#10
There has been a shop in folkestone fined £1,200 for selling to under age he wont want to many fines like that, its the only way, hit there pocket
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16 August 2009
07:1827316#11
There's only one shop in the Folkestone Road Keith, so we all know which one it is.
I agree, hit them hard, but also listen to the owners - if in doubt, No ID, No Drink.
A few lost licenses will make every one wake up.
Roger
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16 August 2009
08:0727332#12
To save confusion, I wasn't talking about Dover shops being fined, it was a shop in Folkestone, my point being, if you fine them and hit there profits they will do more about it.
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16 August 2009
09:4927341#13
Sorry Keith I mis-read your posting - apologies to you and the shop.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 August 2009
19:1127368#14
shops are encouraged to ask anyone that looks to be possibly under the age of 25 to prove that they are over 18.
this pplies to tobacco products, solvents, access to amusement machines etc as well as alcohol.
we have to bear in mind that the shop assistant has to pay the 80 quid on the spot fine for selling underage.
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16 August 2009
19:3127374#15
Maybe we need a local newspaper campaign to raise awareness of this buying drinks for under-age kids and the dangers of doing so.
It is illegal to knowingly buy drinks for underage kids, so they could be prosecuted.
Roger
Terry Nunn- Location: London Road, Dover
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16 August 2009
19:4127381#16
There's the problem Roger, how does a shop keeper know that he is selling something that will be passed on to a minor?
The same applies to publicans. Both are in an onerous situation.
Granted that there will be the odd one or two that will sell anything to anyone but I neither blame shopkeepers or barpersons but the adults who conive and should know better.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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16 August 2009
19:4727382#17
Stop the outlets selling it go back to the old way pubs and the offlicense only and shops and petol outlets goods only.
16 August 2009
20:2427383#18
I hate to be an old fuddy duddy, but it was better when the pubs had Offies and could keep an eye on things. It isn't always the shops - it's the (apparently) adults who are stupid and moronic enough to buy for the youngsters. Given the potential effects of their actions, they should feel the full weight of the law. If you know of someone who buys booze for the underage, turn them in! There is no consistency, though - I understand that there have been times when adults buying booze in their weekly shop, which they are doing with their kids, have been refused the booze...........where's the sense?
17 August 2009
00:5927395#19
Well I am disappointed to think that it is everyone's fault but the people who were involved.
Everyone has a choice and it is the choice of the person involved whether it be right or wrong. Yes it can be percieved as the parents fault, but again they made choices, did they make the right ones, who knows, but with the outcome of events that have happened over the weekend we could say no, so do we blame it on their parents???????
Maybe it was their choices, when do we stop and say actually the choice I made was the wrong one, and I messed up, and I want to make a different choice and make a world of difference and stop this farce from happening again????
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17 August 2009
06:4927398#20
I thought the only people involved Terri, are the kids who drink it, the people who buy it for them; plus the shops that sell it to the kids or the adults who pass it over.
Or maybe its the parents who haven't brought their children up properly; to know they shouldn't being getting drunk; or perhaps Society, because we aren't providing them with enough "constructive" things to do.
Roger