howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon
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intresting articale there,good luck to him.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I have seen this Headline elsewhere. It is surely the usual nonsense spouting from a slightly different mouth.
I doubt whether the EU suits any of it's members, if there is a distinction to be made it is likely only to be between the Net-contributors and the rest.
What is the point of pushing for any reform to suit only one section of the membership? We can see already that other member states feel free to ignore rulings from one overweening body within Europe and face only the slightest chastisement.
That, say, tightening immigration/migration controls would suit us:Politically, Socially and Geographically, but is it something that we do that draws so many from within (and without) the EU to our shores? As opposed to the general rule on free movement across EU member states.
Surely there must be ways the EU could perform differently that could be of advantage to all members?
Imagine if one member of a golf club pressed for it to allow membership to moustachioed women, as opposed to their present bar to women membership, just because his relatives tended to the hirsute? Before you knew it sales of Groucho-spectacles- 'n'-moustache combos would go through the roof.
It is also reported that 56% of us would vote to leave the EU. Without sealing our borders, what would we gain, what would we lose?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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for a start off cheap labour would stop, poorer areas would not have such long n.h.s waiting lists and overcrowded schools.
no doubt i have missed other things.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"Without sealing our borders, what would we gain,(?)"
Was my question, but is this all there is to the get-out argument?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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to answer all questions the answer is nothing.nothing if we stay in,nothing if we get out.so nothing is the definative answer.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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let me turn your question on its head tom, what would we lose by leaving?
i cannot think of anything.
Keith Sansum1
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maybe a lot of trade?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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how do you work that one out keith we are a nett importer, the european union countries rely on us not us on them.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Outside the EU we could and should join NAFTA which is a genuine customs union with no political overtones. And we could re-enter into free trade agreements with the commonwealth countries which we shamefully ditched in the mid-70s on joining the 'common market'. Membership of the EU carries a prohibition on joining any other free trade area.
And trade is carried on by the private sector, not by governments.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Dead right Howard and Peter.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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can anyone that is pro europe disagree?
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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disagree with what??
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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with your comments peter
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Anyone who is pro-Europe must disagree, because being part of the EU means that we can't join those free trade areas. Unless we try to change what the EU is, and I suspect Miliminor is hinting at that; but that means he is just agreeing with the moderate tory line as proposed by Charlie and others.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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as far as i can work out the only people that are in favour of the union live in countries that are handed shed loads of money.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Don't forget Brian. Mind you, if I were in the fortunate position to be able to avoid lots of tax, I would feel much happier to be avoiding European taxes than British ones.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that is only because he can rustle, kill and eat the animals reared on eu subsidies.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Interested to hear brians views
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, free trade does not require a centralised EU government, but, if based on the principles of fair trade and competition, would not only prohibit many an EU ruling and interference in our productive economy, but would also prohibit cowboy trading with trash-wage economies such as the communist People's Republic of China and India.