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I don't agree Bern, brawling/drunken behaviour, is not excusable or acceptable whoever is doing, it is still anti-social behaviour - wealthy or not.
I hate rich kids (in fact, anyone) thinking they can do as they please.
"Why is it, when you are talking about the poor, unfortunate or disabled, it is called benefits but with the rich it is called loopholes?"
The two are not connected: if people are poor, cannot work or are disabled and cannot find work, they should be helped and not left to their own devices; what else would you call it other than benefits ? handouts must be a worse term, isn't it ?
Loop-holes are what dishonest, greedy people look for to get out of paying their just dues and I abhor that; whoever is doing it, whether a Labour or Conservative MP, or supporter, or anyone else for that matter.
The main theme I picked up from Maggie's speech is that people should not rely on the Government for a life-style, but for a safety net; but the last 13 years has created more lifestyles on benefits, than any other period.
We need a better work ethic amongst those who have chosen laziness over work - and I am only referring to skivers, not those suffering genuine reasons for not being able to work.
DT1 I agree that "people should be more like me"does show arrogance, but that also depends on where your coming from doesn't it ?
If someone is on benefits because they want to be and not because they have to be and recommend that course of action to others, that's wrong - isn't it ?
What about the person who says it when they have worked hard and have a reasonable life style and got what they have got through that hard work, why is that wrong to say to lazy buggers, "you should be more like me" - that may be arrogant, but isn't it right ? and society would be so much better for it - wouldn't it ?
Roger