howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#1
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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#2
could be a french move on the port of dover,unless the port of dover gets its finger out and matches the build in calias,the port of dover could be taken over.but not the white cliffs.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
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#3
This precisely the reason we visited our counterparts in Calais a couple of weeks ago.
The new logistics park has a railhead planned to accompany it.
There are plans for a links style golf course at Sangatte and a theme park outside Calais.
This complements their Calais 2015 Port development.
We are following this up with continued dialogue with DfT pointing out they have not taken these developments into account when dealing with the future of the Port-part of our submissions in the original Port debate.
At every turn in the last 20 years original growth figures have been exceeded & underestimated.
Dover always plays catch up when capacity begins to become stretched.
Other than the £76m capital investment now on the table, I would hope we see the new funding regime indicated in the Minister's decision letter delivered without another round of change proposals that require the consultation merry go round to start again.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#4
so if the growth continues surely we would need a second ro-ro terminal otherwise chaos?
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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#5
Howard, we need to acknowledge DHB have the planning permission in place to enable the extra capacity to be delivered and the first phase is the A20 improvements planned for early next year.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#6
Paul W, the whole merry-go-round of consultations has ended in December 2012.
That was most finally stated by the DfT since then.
There are no more public consultations on the Port, only consultations between Gov. departments and Dover Harbour Board.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#7
Alexander, PaulW is not talking about consultations on the (privatisation of) Port of Dover, but the financial arrangements that were made by the Decisions-Minister on new funding methods for its expansion and development - the whole point of the Privatisation initiative was because the PoD/DHB couldn't borrow large sums of money because it would be part of the PSBR.
Read his last paragraph again - as he says, the consultation is about funding.
Roger
Karlos- Location: Dover
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#8
Is there any possibility that the A2 from Lydden will ever being dualled?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#9
The Decision Minister wrote, Roger, that there were ways to fund the Port's T2, but didn't specify what these were.
Neither was there any mention of specific consultations.
So it's interesting to know what these consultations are, yet they do not appear to be anything to do with a Public consultation.
Which parties (not political) are involved in these consultations?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#10
Alexander, in your post 6, you put "Paul W, the whole merry-go-round of consultations has ended in December 2012.
That was most finally stated by the DfT since then.
There are no more public consultations on the Port, only consultations between Gov. departments and Dover Harbour Board."
Why put that if you knew the consultation/talks were about funding for port development/regeneration and not about privatisation ?
You ask in post 9 who is involved in these consultations, but in post 6, you've let us know.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Other than the £76m capital investment now on the table, I would hope we see the new funding regime indicated in the Minister's decision letter delivered without another round of change proposals that require the consultation merry go round to start again.
the above lifted from watty's post no.3. makes interesting reading, hopefully there will not be "another round of change proposals".
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#12
Exactly Howard.
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#13
Roger, I know that the Port's status is not up for discussion, apologies for any misinterpretation my wording may have led to.
It's the reason I couldn't decipher Paul's last paragraph, as it's unclear which consultations merry-go-round should crop up.
Apparently, the Decision Minister's letter 21-12-2012 stated that funding options for T2 had already been identified by the Government, without any indication as to what these funding methods may be.
Unless DPPT can illuminate, we are all in the dark here.
Karlos- Location: Dover
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#14
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/east_kent_mercury/news/2013/april/17/expansion_plans_for_calais.aspx
Article says:
Major developments at Calais are to be unveiled in London this evening that could result in more people coming to Dover.
The Port of Calais, which already handles 9.7 million passengers a year, is due to be doubled in size as a result of a €400million (£342m) investment by the French government.
Capacity will be significantly increased over the next five years and there are reports the French authorities might be planning to market Calais as "Britain's New Gateway".
Work is also due to start on a €300million (£256m) industrial park aimed at attracting more businesses to the Nord Pas de Calais region
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#15
It's not just investment by the French Government, they have learnt how to access EU money too, something that I'm sure DHB is now working on.
This emphasises (as I've mentioned several times) the importance of expansion/regeneration of the Western Docks/T2 area.
By delaying the decision about privatisation has also delayed the decision about investment in the Port.
Roger
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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#16
What a truly dreadful article Howard has linked to in the opening post, extremely poorly researched and littered with mistakes from start to finish. Nathalie Thomas is described as Leisure and Transport reporter for The Daily and Sunday Telegraph, which are my favourite newspapers, but if this is a sample of her work then one wonders how much trust one can put in her articles on other subjects.
The expansion of the Port of Calais and the construction of an industrial park sound like very good news for Dover. The port has needed a serious upgrade for many years to match the facilities at Dover, as was evident several years ago when berth failures and repairs almost closed Calais down for a time. As Dover is the other end of the line, it is very much in our interest to have Calais operating efficiently.
If the industrial park and the plans to market Calais as "Britain's New Gateway" come to fruition then it should attract a great deal more custom to funnel through Dover.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#17
Shhh, Ed, agreed!!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#19
no new news there then,if the expansion go's ahead dover will have enlarge as well to cope with the extra road and ferry traffic.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#20
surely that would be good news brian?
the more that the denizens of dover district, the port and their equivalents in the nord pas de calais work in tandem where possible - the better for all of us.
