Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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18 December 2010
20:2485349Paulb
sometime ago an issue regarding the hot dog van in the high street was rightly raised on here, and that issue rectified.
although still unsure what the real issue was.
im hearing now that bobby has been told having not had to pay rates for 9 years but instead pay a big annual fee to the council
and without any consultation that he has to cough a large figure for these rates.
Bobby tells me at no point has the council come to him to say this may be a future venture, nor has local business's local people, or bobby himself been consulted.
It appears a rather bizarre way to conduct council business, and i do hope any of our councillors can look into this(wont ask any individual cllr this time)
bobby recently had a decision overturned for his stall in Deal recently and hes concerned that he may be being victimised.
of course as i explained to him, i'm sure even though theres been no consultation, all traders will also have to pay these rates, which will hit heavily anyone thinking of running a market stall, and the local shops who like to extend there shop fronts.
of course the council will be looking at new ways to bring dosh in, but this could well have an adverse reaction, .
it's a sure way of bobby rejoining the over 3 million people on benefits which would be a shame for many reasons
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18 December 2010
20:2785350Is this a personal email? I am not being critical, but there have been a couple of council based things on here recently that appear inappropriate, or am I being over sensitive? I had assumed - correct me if I am wrong - that there were proper channels for this kind of stuff, and that IF they are insufficient, THEN public appeal was appropriate. I am a fan of public appeals, but only when the more usual avenues are attempted and fail.
But I am happy to be wrong!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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18 December 2010
20:3585354seems rather strange if the council are involved.
if anything bobby would pay business rate which is extracted from the victims by h.m.r.c.
any dosh paid to our esteemed local authority i would imagine to be rent for the space he occupies.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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18 December 2010
20:4585355well howard it is rates on the letter.
anyway i will let my newly elected county member deal with this.
the wider point i make is ;
1; why no consultation
2; why a month after he won a review for his license in Deal
3; how much will be collected if everyone has to pay where will go
4; will it put off people wanting to run a market stall or such like
5; will his license fee paid annually be done away with or he will probably end
up paying more than a shop keeper with all facilities
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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18 December 2010
20:4985357clearly you have seen the letter and it is from k.c.c.
i hope that gordon or nigel take up his case, bobby is a very popular town centre fixture.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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18 December 2010
20:5585358Bern,
You're right. It's his second political point scoring post of the day - "anyway i will let my newly elected county member deal with this."
Someone who is always telling us about his long experience as a councillor would know the right channels to go through.
I'm saying no more on this, and that's a real no more, not a "Vic" no more
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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18 December 2010
20:5885359ray
you do baffle me
theres no politics
just raising issues just like any other poster
im sure if any other poster got replies like the ones iv been getting they wouldnt bother in the future.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
- Posts: 8,115
18 December 2010
21:4285365I agree with you, Keith. In fact, it is of public interest to know that a business offering succulent sausages, the smell of which makes me hungry when I pass there, may be put out of business due to Council policy. The public have a right to know this.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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18 December 2010
21:4685367a lot of businesses could thrive if they don't pay their dues.....
Been nice knowing you :)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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18 December 2010
21:5085368rather accusatory and vague paul, do you know something about this case?
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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18 December 2010
21:5685369I now nuffink, but just commenting on Alexander's words "put out of business due to Council policy"... it is council policy to collect business rates at the amount they are told to collect them, issue permits where relevant and licences as appropriate. Fingers just point too easily at "The Council".
Been nice knowing you :)
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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18 December 2010
21:5985370paul
as i stated bob pays his dues as you call them via his annual license fee
this latest non consultation item is on top of all that
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Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
18 December 2010
22:2685380Is this the one that is opposite Rooks?
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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19 December 2010
00:2685394yes thats the one
nicechap
eyes and ears of the police
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,707
19 December 2010
00:29853951. Business Rates are collected by local authorities and remitted to HMRC - so yes the DISTRICT council would be dealing with this
2. both DDC & KCC web sites provide contact details for local councillors and this should have been routed to the appropriate councillor via that channel
3. the legitimate post would have been that it appears policy has changed and there has been no consultation without providing any personal details
4. Keith as an ex-councillor you absolutely know the correct way to handle these things, but that does not score cheap political points does it
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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19 December 2010
08:4985400My understanding is that there is a thought, soon to be a consultation so I believe where businesses other than established ones in permanent premises "may" be charged business rates.
Here is some info:
"If the trader has a licence to trade in the same location or 'pitch' then this will be deemed to be their 'hereditament' and it will then be the Valuer's decision whether to calculate a Rateable Value (RV) on the pitch and subsequently it will then be the Council's responsibility to bill the customer.
A hereditament is where a person has actual, beneficial and exclusive occupation to a location and is not transitory. There must be a degree of permanency but not necessary total exclusiveness.
The District Valuer will assess the value of the location (which is likely to be based on our licence fee) and then make a demand for business rate to collect. The rates will be about 42p in the pound.
Any customer with a sole business that is small can then apply for Small Business Rate Relief which will reduce their final billing amount - a sole trader can have two (or more) address locations and still be eligible to receive SBRR depending on the combined RV totals - this must not exceed the current RV limit of £12,000.
In effect this means that if this was to go ahead each of our 5 traders would have to pay an additional £92 per year in rates.
There is a right of appeal against either the assessment in its own right or the calculations specifically
It does raise other questions as to the position of markets in the area such as Union Road Deal & The Market Square Dover. Although it is unlikely that the traders would be liable it may be that the organisers might be."
This last bit about markets, could be a problem for who ever runs Deal market and the Dover Chamber of Commerce, who are responsible for ours.
So Keith, you can let Bobby know that he can appeal - I'm surprised this has come in so soon - it does sound as if it is arbitrary; I wonder if the local Chambers of Commerce have been advised of this ? - Barry ?
Roger
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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19 December 2010
09:5585407I bet Greggs would like him moved.
I have never used Greggs but walking past on Friday could see no sign of any bread it seemed to be all take-away stuff.
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
19 December 2010
09:5685408jan,bread in window nearest mcdonalds,and tasty to.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
19 December 2010
11:1185430rook's were not happy either when bobby opened for business in his present location.
19 December 2010
13:1685458Competition in a Free Market. Apparently that is what we are striving for.
