Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Then you will have to learn the recipe for chicken tikka masala, Briab.
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Brian Dixon
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ok peter,but don't like tikka masala find it to sweet and apart from that it's got to many calories in it.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Grooming victims in danger of 'reliving abuse' by giving evidence in dock
Experts including the chief executive of children's charity Barnardo's were 'shocked' by the language used by defence barristers in Oxford gang trial
"Justice experts and children's charities have expressed alarm at the "shocking" language used to describe sexually exploited young girls during the trial of a street grooming ring based in Oxford that concluded last week with the convictions of seven men.
They are calling for an urgent reform of attitudes towards victims of grooming, and expressed fears that unless the current criminal justice system is changed more young people will be in danger of "reliving their abuse" if they give evidence in court. During the four-month trial at the Old Bailey, defence teams sought to portray the victims as "naughty girls" who had lied about their ages and had consented to sex...
...The use of multiple barristers to cross-examine the girls meant their accounts sometimes varied. This was seized on by defence teams to suggest the girls were lying.
Harry Fletcher, a criminal justice expert, said the use of up to 30 defence lawyers in the case had resulted in "chaos". He warned that it was crucial to learn from the Oxford case. "There needs to be a different way of doing things," Fletcher said. "Young people will end up being revictimised if they are put through a tortuous trial and cross-examination."..."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2013/may/19/oxford-grooming-gang-trial-barnardos Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Ross Miller
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Britain has always been a melting pot.
We have been invaded by Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Danish Vikings, Norwegian Vikings, Normans all of whom stayed here in numbers along with their own melting pot of mercenaries, slaves and attendants, in later years we have invited in Huguenot French, European Jews, West Indians, Ugandan Asians, and allowed Commonwealth/Old Empire citizens to take up residence. Additionally, we have always turned a blind eye to the settlement of Chinese peoples in this country.
Alongside this we have an enviable tradition of providing safe haven for people who are seeking asylum as they fear for their safety in their home country.
Search back through the newspapers and records and you will find that there has often been an outcry against the incomers with all manner of accusations, crimes and outrages laid at their door, yet as generations passed they became part of our richly diverse community and this singling out en-mass ceased.
As for whole areas of cities being inhabited by one particular ethnic group, this has always been the case with first, second and sometimes even third generation immigrant communities - look at the history of the Brick Lane area in East London for a really good example of this. As these groups start to integrate into our society and culture and as they generationally rise up the income scales, they move out from the original ghettos merging into society as a whole.
I do not condone violence against women in any size shape or form, those who commit such crimes deserve to feel the full force of the law including repatriation to their own country if they are not holders of a British passport; however we should also note that the vast majority of rape cases are committed by someone very well known to the victim, it is estimated more than half of rapes do not go reported and that somewhere over 80% of violence against women is committed by their partners.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Ross, the Celts and Anglo-Saxons are of similar cultural and ethnic background, hence also the Danes, Norwegians and Normans (these latter being Norsemen of Norwegian origin who had integrated with the local already-present French population of Normandy).
Indeed the Anglo-Saxons and Jutes originate from areas close to the Danes and Norwegians.
And the French are of Celtic origin, as well as of Frankish origin, including Burgundians and Visigoths.
The British people are not such a "melting pot" as some claim, as the ethnic origins are closely defined.
However, British people will never integrate into the Asian culture, we won't become Muslims and we won't tell women to wear burkas or with whom they have to get married through prearranged marriages.
Multi-culti is dead, the German government officially announced this several years back, noting how it has failed in Germany.
Western culture is completely different to Asian culture.
Even Anghela Merkel noted how multi-culti has completely failed.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Where people of different cultures have moved in in mass, the local English have moved out in mass, and do not come back anymore. See London as an example.
And gang-raping British girls is one widespread trait we have to confront.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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alex,i hate saying this,but some brits,white English etc have converted to the muslim faith and the same white English women have started to wear burkers according to there new muslim faith.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The term white English does not exist, Brian.
And I will never start using it either.
I don't have to explain the colour of my skin to be English!
The point of my stance is that Pakistani men who went every Friday to the mosque - by admission of a Muslim cleric - and who were well known to him and the Pakistani community in general where they resided, were for years enslaving British girls.
I haven't even used the term "white British" girls.
Vulnerable girls who were betrayed by the multi-culti culture of those politicos who shouted down anyone trying to raise the issue years ago when it became known.
People living in Britain should abide to British Law and not use a cultural trait of theirs that is contrary to our Law.
It is one good reason why all 16 Lincolnshire UKIP councillors have refused to sign a sheet of paper obliging them to treat people in their administrative area differently according to their ethnic culture.
The days when the Law had to be changed according to people's different ethnic culture in England are over.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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This is the Land of Saint George, and it's about time that people accepted this. It's written all over our Flag!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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some more bad news st.george was a muslim convert to the Christian faith,his home country was Persia now known as iran.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think you will find that st george lived and died before islam was invented brian, my understanding is that he was palestinian but others say differently.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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ok howard a middle eastern person then
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The Afghan government has just decided NOT to approve a law on women's rights, meaning women there can be bought and sold, beaten and possibly stoned for adultery if raped...
http://news.sky.com/story/1092681/afghanistan-blocks-law-protecting-women
We must be sure that we do not allow any cultural traits into our Country that are against British Law and which don't correspond to the Red St.George Cross culture and Belief on our English Flag!
Because in some cultures, things are taken for granted that we do not take for granted.
Which is why multi-culti must be carefully examined before being spouted out far and wide by politicos.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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this is a result from our winning hearts and minds operation in that country. members of our armed forces killed or disfigured because western politicians believe we can control an uncontrollable country.
will we ever learn?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The do-gooders among Labour who sent British soldiers to Afghanistan will find it hard to look people in the eyes if,when British soldiers have left that country, the Afghan government have not passed and implemented the proposed laws on women's rights there.
It has cost us so far well over 400 soldiers and many more wounded.
T. Blair can never pay us back what we have lost there.
But during his time, Pakistani men were systematically reducing vulnerable British girls into slavery.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the involvement in afghanistan was supported by all political parties, nice try at political point scoring alex.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Yes you're right, Howard, all three mainstream political parties were in favour of careering headlong into Afghanistan: they should all be ashamed.
Their do-gooder policies haven't even managed to achieve women's rights in Afghanistan.
They may all be ashamed to look people in the eyes when British soldiers withdraw from there.
Practically, they've sent British soldiers to support an Afghan government that after all these years has not approved a basic law on women's rights.
So women in Afghanistan can be bought and sold, beaten, stoned....