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    Dave, you are right about 'community pubs'. Bern I too hate the loud 'mass market' pubs that cater for the young. There is at least one good 'community pub' in Dover with a more mature clientele where you can always get into conversation with no pounding music or tv.

    It is just these community pubs where the more expensive real ales are more likely to be sold as a higher proportion of turnover, so if as I would suggest you focussed extra tax on the cheap mass market chemical beers, alcopops and so on these would be in a better position.

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