Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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#1
Do we believe that the prohibition on Drugs Is a successful exercise.Or as a society do we need to rethink and evolve In our approach, as prohibtion just seems to give the criminal fraternity an Ideal opportunity to make a lucrative business plan.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#2
the question is,did prohibtion work in the 1930s america.
i say no it didnt,the only thing it did was drive it under ground.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#3
the politicians will never legalise recreational drugs, not a vote winner.
this leaves the criminals with free rein to make a lucrative living.
it has long been thought by many at the top of our society that by legalising, more control could be exercised over the users, even tax revenues gained.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#4
There is a simple solution to the drugs problem if a Government is tough, realistic and brave enough to do it.
Manditory death sentence for anyone caught smuggling or selling illegal drugs whether its cannabis or heroin.
The sentence gets commuted to a minimum of 10 years served if and only if they provide evidence leading to the arrest and conviction of someone else if the same 'profession'. Down to 5 years if it is someone higher up in the drugs chain.
I would not mind betting that within 12 months the streeet price will have increased tenfold and drugs will be much harder to get hold of. And that, I suspect, will involve only a few hangings.
It would need to be accompanied by a much largerr drugs rehabilitation programme for addicts.
A lot of misery and crime sorted.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#5
I agree with this for drug dealers, but also for some other heinous crimes too.
We've discussed this on here many times though and it almost seems a pointless exercise to do so again.
People were calling it state murder etc. etc. but even the Bible says an eye for an eye.
For some crimes, we simply have no valid or appropriate punishment.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#6
barryw,if the dealer price goes up so does the burgelry rate,users rob houes to pay for there addiction.
#7
It is, sadly, a much more complex issue than just "getting tough on dealers". There are complex financial and political issues at work as well as the basics about addicts (non-pc word, sorry!) and dealers, who are, when at the lower end of the food chain, often more victims than perps to be honest! The big fish are the bas***ds and much better hidden and protected. But, victims or not, I want the dealers off the streets and addicts supported to move on. I just don't think I want to murder them to achieve it.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#8
There is so much drug smuggling now its just impossible to keep a lid on top of it all. The UK Border Agency is catching quite a few as we have seen from previous press releases, when they do the sentances are heavy but it doesnt seem to act as a deterrent...as they keep right on coming.
There are so many stories and press releases that I have stopped putting them up unless they are out of the ordinary...here is the latest just to make the point as this thread is already running....
£5.4 MILLION OF HEROIN SEIZED AT DOVER FERRY PORT - NORTH WALES MAN CHARGED
For the second time in a few days, significant quantities of Class A drugs have been seized at Dover Ferry Port.
A man from North Wales is due to appear in court today after officers from the UK Border Agency (UKBA) seized approximately 120 kilos of heroin worth about £5,400,000 and about six kilos of amphetamine sulphate worth about £60,000 at Dover's Eastern Docks.
Early yesterday morning, Thursday 16 July, a lorry was stopped in the freight controls after it had disembarked a ferry. During a search of the vehicle which was carrying a load of mixed general cargo, UKBA officers discovered a large number of brown-taped packages hidden within the structure of the trailer. The contents of some of the packages tested positive for heroin.
ends.
As John H mentioned at the top of page...the rewards are phenomenol..a license to print money if you get away with it. Thats why people keep trying.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#9
Bern/Brian - I said that there needs to be a big increase in programmes to treat addicts. Brian your point is why I said it, your argument is no reason not to deal with this problem.
Bern - executing a criminal after a fair trial is not murder. Murder (and misery) is what they commit by peddling their poison. I would prefer to execute a dozen drug peddlars if it saved just one innocent person from falling into their clutches, I suspect a lot more than that would be saved, a hell of a lot more. Hopefully as well the commuting of death sentences will result in the rolling up, arrest, trial and execution of only the very worse, the top men who usually escape the net.
Time to drop the wooly headed attitudes that cause so much crime and to get tough, very tough. There is no room for sympathy when it comes to this drug peddling scum.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#10
barryw,agreed the drug thing should be clamped down on hard,but if you take one dealer out two [2] will take there place so on and so forth.a bit like germs they multiply out of control.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#11
Not when you cut off supply the way I am suggesting, Brian. Long sentences for those who grass up people higher in the chain, a few hangings and people will get the message.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#12
one word barry,underground thats where it will end up.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#13
Of course they will, in coffins...
Are you suggesting that drug use is not underground already. Have we got so soft on the problem that they are dealing in the open without fear. All the more reason to do what I say if that is so.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#14
only drive it deeper.apart from that to much pc,h/s etc and thats without the red tape and the paper work in triplicate.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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#15
In with BERN on this 1, I will never agree with the death penalty, as we have no god given right to take someones life, and still not convinced mistakes won't happen.
We need to tackle the over crowded prison's issues.
on top of this we need to decide do we want to get tough or not?
When this govt decided to release lesser crime committers from prison to free up prison space this was opposed by DC and others.
So whilst talking tough in reality DC has no answers.
The prisons are full so where do we put all these people we want to be tough on.?
thats not to say i disagree with long sentences, but the question of full prisons needs to be addressed.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#16
I could not care less about overcrowed prisons. Pile em high I say, get them off the streets. 3 plain wholesome plain meals a day and a right not to be treated with brutality is all they should expect. Get them slopping out, spending 23 hours a day in cells, 8 in a cells made for 4 - I really dont care.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#17
are we to understand that you have cancelled your subscription to the guardian barry?
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#18
Portugal stopped prosecuting drug users 5-6 years ago and drugs are readily available from government run chemists. Where registered drug users go on a daily basis for their "hit"! Cannabis and heroin along with needles and tobacco etc are given to the user who is allowed to "shoot up" whilst on the premises. There are also drug counsellors, courses and doctors on hand to assist and advise the users how best to come off drugs. The result is a tremendous drop in the number of drug users and a large increase in the nuumber of addicts that have given up their habbit. There has also been a drop in drug related crimes
Maybe this is a path that the uk should look at and see whether it would work over here?
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
#19
BarryW, with the greatest possible respect, I think you have mercifully little to do with the drug trade!! lucky you! Snipping off the teeny peddlers at ground level will have absolutely no impact at all on trade. Sad but true - it is so much more complicated than just offing a few sad pathetic smack heads.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#20
marek makes an interesting point about portugal.
some thought must be given to the problem, not just knee jerk reactionism.