18 February 2010
09:3540962#21
I agree with Marek, prisoners should be allowed to vote. The should be allowed to vote to either make mail bags or peel potatoes for the inmates lunch.
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18 February 2010
09:5940965#22
Sid
Love your humour....
..but unfortunately sewing mail bags or peeling spuds are no longer an option as the textile industry and the catering section of society object to inmates 'stealing' their jobs.
Colin
Of course I feel for the victims that 'I thought' goes without saying but there are so many well funded organisations that help the victims rebuild their lives.If we are ever,and thats questionable,to get a grip on crime and its causes then we have to look elsewhere for solutions because once the 'punishment' of incarceration has been served society is still left with the crimbos who just continue to commit crimes.If by giving them the right to vote stops at least one inmate from reoffending then surely that is a small price to pay and well worth it.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
18 February 2010
11:3740969#23
In the north of Nigeria, where there is Sharia law, offenders get bits of their body chopped off if they get found guilty of a crime. It usually stops them committing the offence again, but, does lead to a goodly number of people heading south to beg, in the Christian part of the country.
Now, would I prefer limbless beggars to criminals, YES!
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18 February 2010
14:1240976#24
Sorry Marek, I wasn`t suggesting you didn`t feel for the victims, far from it, I`m sure you`re as sympathetic as the rest of us mate. There must be a number of worthy person`s locked away who have some potential, and I`ve thought of that in the past from when I used to hear of Open University courses being taken by some. Big problem sorting out the wheat from the chaff I suspect, but I wouldn`t readily condemn them all. Crime is a fact of human evolution, and it will never go away, and will continue to evolve in it`s own way. There is no cure. So long as there`s human greed and want, they`ll always be crime by human`s that adapt to beating the opposition to what`s up for grabs, by the shortest route possible. Stealing. Chimpanzee`s among other`s are rather good at it.
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18 February 2010
16:0540995#25
Sid - as long as there is the potential for mistakes to be made - and there is ALWAYS room for error - that kind of punishment is never going to be acceptable in civilised society. I have no problem with imprisonment, with consequences, with retribution and with restitution, but there is a limit.
18 February 2010
16:1941000#26
Bern, I mentioned it because we are exploring ways to prevent reoffending. Sharia law appears to have an answer, but the consequences remain. There never has been a good answer to how to punish and rehabilitate criminals, whether it be harsh sentences or soft regimes, so all options need to be considered.
18 February 2010
16:2541002#27
Perhaps most, but not all. Regardless of how I feel about some of the worst offenders - especially if they hurt someone I love - I couldn't support capital punishment and struggle with the extremes of corporal punishment as you described.
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19 February 2010
08:3241048#28
I think both ought to be reintroduced.
Roger
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23 February 2010
12:3941226#29
I used to think that capital punishment should be outlawed for good, end of story. No longer. With the advent of DNA technology and the massive advances made in forensic pathology over recent years, I do feel that the chances of an unfair conviction in murder cases are now almost negligible, and that murder convictions are now much safer.
That said, I also believe that English and Welsh courts should also introduce the Scottish verdict option of 'Not Proven' so that the choice for juries is not to put someone to death or not, and that there should be introduced the American two-tier murder charges of 'Murder 1' and 'Murder 2', so that premeditated cold-blooded murder can be distinguished from mercy killings with extenuating circumstances.
Corporal punishment legislation should never have been repealed in the first place; by doing so, the door was opened to thugs, bullies and worse. The nation went soft at a stroke.
As for letting prisoners vote? Of course they should be allowed to; a prisoner still has a brain and is still a member of the human race. It's a measure of our own humanity how we treat such issues. Locking people up, throwing away the key and pretending they don't exist is barbaric.
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