Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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6 February 2009
17:3814839#161
Roger
Feel you have missed the point completely
(looking #at your postiings probably isn't)
its if it offends someone else
as looking at postings it does.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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6 February 2009
18:1514842#162
I see that Jeremy Clarkson has been lambasted for calling Gordon Brown a one-eyed Scottish idiot - not by the Labour Party as a political insult, nor Scotland due to racism, but by the RNIB as it is felt to be an insult to blind people.
Isn't this over-sensitivity getting silly and losing value to real insults and real racism ?
Roger
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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6 February 2009
18:2014843#163
Keith - I don't think I've missed the point at all.
Every one at some point will be insulted about something - it seems that people look for things to feel insulted about, for a range of reasons, the vast majority of which will be totally unintentionally made.
Roger
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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6 February 2009
18:4614846#164
Keith if I had £1 for everybody that has insulted me in my lifetime I would now be able to buy Barry Williams private jet. Do I take any notice, do I hell.
Brian Dixon
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6 February 2009
18:5014849#165
i see clarkson has apolagised.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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6 February 2009
18:5714852#166
spot on dave, just a part of life.
a lot of times it is down to taking offence by proxy.
for a long while we were told that muslims were offended by christmas decorations, hot cross buns and all sorts of things, each time the muslim community leaders said that they were not offended at all.
jeremy clarkson's turn today, doubt if gordon brown turned a hair, barry calls him a lot worse.
if we clubbed our quids together we could get barry's french house as well.
DT1- Location: Dover
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6 February 2009
19:2714854#167
"for a long while we were told that muslims were offended by christmas decorations, hot cross buns and all sorts of things, each time the muslim community leaders said that they were not offended at all."
It's stories like this Howard that are real winners for the Daily Mail. It allows all the the real offense to be clubbed in with the "It's PC gone mad" label.
DT1- Location: Dover
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6 February 2009
19:4114855#168
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1094868/Mother-told-Christmas-lights--case-offend-non-Christian-neighbours.html
Oh there you go! But as it turns out nothing came of it and the council said their representative was wrong. We moan about dragging this thread out about people in the public eye. The Daily Mail drag a story out of something that didn't really have any agenda other than to remind people how they shouldnt have to worrying about others, because if you think it then everyone else should, we're British don't you know.
NEWFLASH-"Someone was nearly mugged of their HRT treatment yesterday by someone that could have been an illegal immigrant...are you safe to leave your house in anything other than a Laura Ashley dress?"
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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6 February 2009
20:4214860#169
if that turns you on dt1,personly i wouldnt be seen dead in one.
6 February 2009
22:1614867#170
Howard - everything matters, but nothing matters frightfully. the words we use matter as they impact on everything else.
Paul - "we old geezers" who remain unoffended are probably old white geezers who didn't grow up being called golliwogs and being hit for it.
There IS a limit to offence!! Jeremy Clarkson shouldn't have to apologise: his entire raison d'etre is to offend, but to do it with charm and humour, which he manages, and it de-fuses a lot of the venom.
We should take it all seriously, but not become fanatical; we should respect others viewpoints without becoming impotent; we should value our culture without de-valuing others.
Chris P -
I like what you post!!!
It's been a cr*p day for me, but I still want to support what is right!!! Now - I will abuse the vodka bottle to good effect. London can sleep peacefully tonight!!
Ross Miller
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6 February 2009
22:5114869#171
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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7 February 2009
08:5414874#172
The link doesn't work Ross, but you can find it by going on to that web-site.
I certainly don't think we live in a better Britain now than 30 years ago, certainly not even ten years ago - look around you, every aspect of our lives have changed - for the worse, much worse.
Roger
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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7 February 2009
09:0014875#173
Hi
I think Bern hits the nail on the head, its about if people have been bullied and then roger if you sduffered this way you might hold a different opinion
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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7 February 2009
10:3214878#174
Re the "one-eyed Scottish idiot"
It was quite funny on the radio last night when it was pointed out that the one-eyed and Scottish 'insults' but no-pne was complaining about the idiot bit !!
Been nice knowing you :)
7 February 2009
10:5314881#175
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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10 February 2009
18:4015117#176
Dont forget the 'liar' bit, Paul...
Yes, Jeremy Clarkeson was quite careful to apologise about critisising Brown's appearance. Some of the press did not pick up on that though.
Not sure what he apologised for though...
Brown is Scottish
He is one eyed
He is unquestionably an idiot
and there is plenty of evidence of his lies.
I found it laughable because Brown was attacked and referred to as Scottish and one eyed, that some created an artificial fuss suggesting Clarkeson said that it means all disabled people or Scots are lying idiots! Amazing, but I do understand how disabled people and Scots might be upset at being associated, even very remotely, to Brown. I feel that same way about being Brown merely being a fellow member of the human race
I do like Clarkeson, he is a great antidote to supine political correctness. One of the few bright spots on the BBC!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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10 February 2009
23:2615151#177
He won't last long then Barry.
That somewhat overweight female comedian (??) Jo Brand has been insulting Margaret Thatcher, but no one at the BBC seems to mind.
Roger
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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10 February 2009
23:2915154#178
OH my this thread does seem to carry on somewhat from something so small.
Ian...
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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10 February 2009
23:3115158#179
All politicians are fair game; it goes with the territory
Having said that ad hominem insults are missing the mark and unacceptable, as it is the performance of their duties and their public behaviour that is fair game
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 February 2009
23:3115159#180
jo brand is not small ian!!
not sure that she is a comedienne either.