Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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16 February 2009
22:3015570Well in the case of the "p" remark that is a very good question.
How exactly did this "private" comment, that was after all filmed, make it into the public domain?
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Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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16 February 2009
22:4315571Don't know you tell me.
You don't comment on my other point I note.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 February 2009
22:5215573interesting point that andrew makes.
i lived in a predominantly asian community during and after the twin towers attack.
i remember being offended by young british muslims riding around in cars tooting their horns the day after the carnage in new york.
i got over it though.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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16 February 2009
23:2115574AS if it is true (you name no source) then it is totally unacceptable.
Glorification of murder/killing is unacceptable whoever does it, and yes it is offensive.
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Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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16 February 2009
23:3615575And a lot more offensive than Prince Harry's jokey remark I think. But that's just me.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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16 February 2009
23:3915578well said Andrew, some good points well made.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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16 February 2009
23:4115579For balance here, it was reported that when Harry was sent for his 'awareness training' they did cite other cases of him refering to 'towelheads' and 'ragheads' as well as the 'paki' remark.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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17 February 2009
00:0515580Harry should now learn his lesson and avoid such remarks in the future.
It's a pity that he cannot be trusted to do so himself and that official brainwashing is deemed necessary to treat his badthinkfulness.
In the interests of balance, are Islamic communities doing all they can to teach their own not to blow up innocent people? Or is tolerance something that only white people have to practice? Quite frankly they can call me all the names under the sun as long as they don't try that again as they did at Warren Street on 19 July 2005 when they nearly got me along with dozens of others.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 February 2009
07:5115581Well, we are at war with ragheads Chris. No what was it we called those we were at war with in the 1940's? Perhaps some might think we should stop referring to them as Japs, Jerries, Nazis, Huns and so on - tough!
We were at war then and in a cold war later, with those who wanted to control the thoughts and actions of those they ruled, they sent people to re-education camps for thought crime and children were encouraged to report their parents if they spoke out of turn. Then came the concentration camps or Siberian work camps.
Today a former chief of the Security Services is reported saying that this Government is turning this country more and more into a police state.
Yes, it is certtainly increasingly resembling in more ways than one Stalin's Russia. People sent for re-education because of thought crime or saying something unapproved by the political establishment, what is the next step?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 February 2009
07:5715582Incidentally further to the above.
Section 76 of the latest Counter Terrorism Act came into force yesterday.
It creates a new offence, one of nearly 4,000 new thing for which we can be imprisoned for since 1997, of "eliciting, publishing or communicating information" relating to members of the Armed Forces, intelligence services and police, which is "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism".
Professional photographers held a protest because it means they could actually be imprisoned for photgraphing the Changing of the Guard.
Dont laugh - we have seen counter terrorism laws used by councils and to eject a frail old man from the Labour conference. Make a law and someone will want to abuse it.
17 February 2009
08:0115583Why do you want to hang on to what are clearly offensive terms that have been used to incite violence? I am just asking............
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 February 2009
08:3815588Because we don't attach offensive, racism or racist attitudes to them Bern, that's why.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 February 2009
10:1415600And because we do not and do not approve of the use of any term to incite violence.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 February 2009
20:3115626i must admit that barry makes a valid point about the plethora of new laws.
most do not mean any benefit to the general public, just strengthen the hand of bureaucrats.
17 February 2009
21:2115628Roger - you may not, but the people they describe often do. Your sensibilities are not the ones being touched.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 February 2009
21:2215629Bern - people just have to remember the old saying, sticks and bones, then get a bit of a backbone and stop being weak kneed wusses.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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17 February 2009
21:4015633I have to agree with you Barry, I really cannot comprehend what sort of a world some people live in.
17 February 2009
22:3515634Weak kneed wusses who have experienced serious abuse.........one of the most stupid sayings ever uttered is Sticks and Stones.......words kill and wound, and just because you don't experience something doesn't mean it doesn't happen. What's that old saying about it only takes one good man to do nothing for evil to occur......... ?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 February 2009
22:4615635i wonder who will have the last word on this one?
i suspect that is the great issue here.
who will open a book and offer odds?
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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17 February 2009
23:1115637Nice try Howard.
BarryW, I thought we were at war with a proscribed terrorist organisation, or was it a particularly nasty regime, rather than a culture which is to be belittled with childish terms of abuse based on cultural stereotypes.
Last posting on this because after 13 pages it is still on the "'tis, 'tis not" level.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour