howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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looks like we all got it wrong.
i said approx overall majority for the blues of 20.
barry intimated much smaller, but a blues win, sid predicted a red wipe out, and i think that most of us expected a better yellow vote..
i wonder who won the competition that barry started on here?
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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I predicted Vic to be the next Prime Minister. Humble pie for dinner, then.
True friends stab you in the front.
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I think it was a disappointing vote for everyone,Cons didn't achieve what they thought they would,obviously Lab will be down nationally yet did better than most people thought,the Libs must be upset because they thought they would make major gains and didn't.
But it nows seems that the Libs hold the balance,intresting that in 1974 this happened before when Edward Heath's Tories got 295 seats while Harold Wilson's Labour got 295,Ted Heath as the Prime Minister tried to form a coalition goverment with the Libs but it failed,so Harold Wilson then formed a Goverment with the Libs which lasted 6 months before another election,intresting times.The only winners are those who wanted to see a hung parliment which is what we have so hold on to your hat,anything can happen in the next 24 hours.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
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Not the ringing endorsement for change we have been told we need at every opportunity by Clegg and Cameron was it.
Still stunned by Vic's UKIP vote!
UKIP failed nationally, and maybe their time has been, and gone. If other UKIP candidates worked half as hard as our Vic and still only got a few more votes than the BNP, then that says it's time to pack up and go home.
I am still trying to get my head round what happned to the LibDem vote, or we were all just taken in by the media hype? Perhaps the tv and papers were desperate for a three horse race but didn't realise one of the runners was an old nag that just wouldn't be able to perform on the day, any day in fact? I think we were all suckered into their scam.
The Tories had a great night but didn't convert their superiority into seats, but with huge swings required to get a large number off Labour, it was always going to be tight. The swing in Dover was astonishing and brightened up my very early morning tv viewing. Let's see if Gwyn can get a job in the current climate of ageism in the UK where we are nevertheless expecting folks to work into their '70's thanks to the people's party policies!
The Labour vote collapsed as predicted but, not enough for my prediction of a wipe out to come true. However, if Gordie clings to power I am sure the next GE will be terminal for them.
All in all a fascinating evenings entertainment.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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ukip had no media attention whatsoever, in modern day electioneering, this is integral to getting a strong vote.
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It was hard but we will carry on.Thank you for your posts.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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First of all, congratulations to Charlie with over an 11% swing.
Barry put a chart up on one of his posts the day before the elect6ion and that if I remember it right was pretty dam close.
What the election has shown is that the electoral system needs looking at and yes changing. I do not understand P.R. enough to comment on it, so I am not sure if that is the right way. However when you look at the percentage of votes to that of seats gained by the parties it does show the flaws.
It is also wrong that a lot of people did not get to vote but then again you have to ask why when the Polls are open for 15 hours. Do we need more Polling Stations of longer polling time?
One thing for sure is the Conservatives got the greater number of seats and overall percentage of votes, so with talks on all sides I hope we see D.C achieve P.M. and I never thought I would ever say that. All I hope is that it all turns for the good of the Country as each of the Leaders has stated they will aim for.
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Sounds sensible Harry.
One of the commentators this morning was saying that in some of the close marginals where the Conservatives failed to gain the seat, the difference they needed was taken by UKIP votes.
I know we have a democracy, but it does seem that minor parties' votes could have caused the hung parliament.
Roger
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roger,the people of this country have spoken,well those who could.
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Ah Roger that is the beauty of democracy
What caused the hung parliament was not the minor parties, but the major parties failing to convince the electorate that they should form the next government.
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Roger
If the UKIP vote has caused the hung parliament, then my initial reaction is 'Good'. Had the Tories actually listened to the thousands of their supporters who weren't prepared to be fobbed off by ignoring the exact EU problems UKIP addressed, then those same people would probably have voted Tory. I know I would have done, but my feelings have been rendered obsolete by Tory managers and my vote disregarded, and I'm sure many people who voted UKIP on Thursday feel the same way. If the price for disregarding their own supporters is having to get in bed with the Lib/Dems, then they have paid the price for not listening.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You are right Andy and I said this on here a few months ago.
The main parties need to listen to the electorate more or this will happen again.
I am a Conservative with UKIP leanings, especially on Europe and Immigration.
On the front page is a very good posting showing all the constituencies where Tories came second, losing to Labour or Lib-Dems and where the UKIP vote was higher than the difference they lost by.
The economy is at the top of people's concerns, but not far behind is Europe and Immigration and the two are inextricably linked as the vast majority of immigrants (legal or not) are still coming from (Eastern) Europe.
Roger
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Why is that in 70 seats the swing was to Labour in some cases away from the Tories,this was mainly in Scotland and the North but elsewhere.Labour I believe also won 12 Councils while the Tories Lost 8.Strange
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Heartland seats John where the drones came out at the sign of defeat, not thinking about how bad another 5 years of misery under the Scotsmen would be.
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It is strange indeed John, but I agree with Sid that they didn't think about another 5 years under Labour and how bad that would be.
They also of course must have very bad (or short) memories.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alternatively they had long memories.
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Andy, don't agree with you that the Tories with pay the price for getting into bed with LD's. It will be the country and you that pay the price.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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paul
david and nick will only work together if proportional representation is agreed.
that would mean very little possibility of the blues and reds ever getting a majority again.
i very much doubt that david would get that past his party.
