Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Charlie, whatever the people's port was, it was never an amalgamation to Dover. To have that, we'd have to go back to the Cinque Ports, when the port and town were one.
The Government seems to have many, many problems, and the last thing they'd want to do now is to start off with that again.
If you google Dover People's Port Trust you might find some information on the people's port, which is probably the best way to find answers to your questions.
Even the Forum lost track of what the P/p plc. are up to. I think the plug was pulled out of it, not that this helps you much further with your query though
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the government clearly cannot make up their mind, this all holds up any progress.
businesses are loathe to invest when the port is in a state of limbo.
Dover Harbour Board are not good Landlords....combination of this mafia and Dover District Council mafia......no-one has ever been in a rush to invest in Dover and the area...........bearing in mind Dover Harbour Board own huge swathes of real estate......also many of the Harbour business are re-locating to Whitfield because of the high rents and charges the Harbour Board demands...
Again, ask yourselves why it takes so long.....like years and years for anything to happen in Dover.....? anyone who speaks out or looks to have enthusiasm either disappears or is rendered into silence.........
We need a Roger de Haan.....or a mentor with vision who cannot be silenced and who has enough clout to get something done..............
Keith Sansum1
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charlie;
it's so frustrating, as a Dovorian to watch the decline,
over the past months iv visited areas all over yorkshire and sussex and see the vast difference.
very small towns thriving every day of the week,
tourists encouraged to visit well advertised, streets choc o blockl.
recently in folkestone people everywhere packed everywhere why? a band was playing(dont ask me who) all shops open (7 30pm) and pubs full
streets thriving,
then as reported recently; folkestone full of flowers look lovely
sandgate very small place loads of flowers
hythe the same
and then we come back to dover,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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it does seem odd i cannot imagine that the budgets of sandgate and hythe town councils are very different to our own.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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the probable answer is a brain dead coucill,with blindness and the lack forsight included.
Our problem is the Harbour Board...I omit the name of Dover, because they have no interest in anything about it....they rule and dictate about the Sea Front like no other......this latest Chairman is a disaster for the town etc...there seemed some hope when the flannel was bought in before the May elections about Community and the Port etc etc.....but it will not happen....
It does not matter who is in power, what councellors we have, so on and so on....Dover is just a very unlucky town..............since the War....
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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charlie
your confusing the council with dover harbour board.
the councillors are elected each 4 years but have little influence over dover harbour board who are an unelected body
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think charlie is saying that he has no confidence with either d.h.b. or our wide selection of councils.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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charlie/howard
of the cllrs we have a handful from all parties who work very hard in very frustrating times not sure how we get round it
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Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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This town and to a lesser extent the district have been held back over the years by the following
a) poor councils and elected reps
b) officers who make rather than implement policy
c) The Harbour Board and its complete disinterest in the town
d) Allegedly some very dubious links between the DHB, council officers and certain councillors in the past
e) 60+ years of government disinterest in seaside towns and their environment
f) absentee landlords
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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And mostly it is a place people pass through rather than stop plus it has never recovered post WW2 when the population halved....
Been nice knowing you :)
It is what the Harbour do with the money that breaks your heart....under the guise of being a charity/trust....they have wasted money hand over fist...they are no longer a major employee, something they used to get their own way....to see the plans of what they are thinking of doing to the Western side of the port....is scandelous....In fact they are starting on getting bigger berths now....but not all the berths are used on the Eastern side?
However, access to this Port, has effectively created slums, disuse, barrenness, and split the town in half with a motorway....which could, having shown flair and imagination, been a tunnel from East to West....Tolled to pay for the work etc......
Absentee landlords should be called to account...look at 10 King Street, the old job centre years ago...rotting shamefully, and New Bridge, where the offices were......unused with the statutory plants and filth beginning to show....wonderful buildings, but you know with a snap of a finger they could be pulled down, before Burlington House.........
Yes Ross Miller there has to be corruption....trouble is the Port is going no-where really...........they never thought the Tunnel would be built, had no control over it.....and now do not know what to do.......really they are expanding into nothing but despair.....with certain people getting a golden handshake for failing...........
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith!
There are plenty of flowers along the seafront, in secluded parks, there are benches where one can sit down, have a pic nic. It's near the Gateway houses, and streches all the way to Wellesley Street.
Then there are more flowers and benches, up to the Rifles memorial, adorned with flowers.
Dover has plenty of parks and greenery, I'm pleased, nought to complain about!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Charlie, it is still possible to build a tunnel along Townwall St., already brought it up on the Forum, and Mr. Hannent also thought it's possible.
Keep trying, if we lobby for it, it might come about!
Alexander D
I would be most grateful for this thread....Mr Hannent/Tunnel/Townwall Street to be highlighted for me to view
Thank you.....
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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If memory is right, the thread should be from last year, I'll see if I can discover its date and thread number, Charlie.
There was a conversation on it about possible flood risks and canalisation, but it was eventually agreed that such technical aspects were not difficult to solve.
The major setback is, of-course, expenses. It would be expensive to make a tunnel, but not impossible.
I'll go and look now for the thread.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Found it!
Go to page 117, find the thread: It can be done! by Alexander D, posted 3 July 2010.
There is an epic description of how once we (Dovorians) used to march up to the Western Heights, and excavate miles of tunnel, and then march up Eastern Heights and excavate miles more of tunnel.
And how we could even today excavate a tunnel in Townwall Street to put the motorway underground!
I believe the posts from David Hannent on the topic were on the front page, after I had brought up the topic about a Townwall St. tunnel on the front page, but probably prior to the date of the mentioned thread.
As said, Charlie, keep it up! If you have any clue, let me know, I'd be happy to lobby again for a tunnel to replace the motorway. It would also be good for our collective health, not having all those exhaust fumes belching out
PS: Serge is Sergeant "boot up the hind", he says do it, and one does it!
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If I remember correctly it was Ken Dupuy from St Margaret's who gave a talk to the Dover Society supported by a reputable national civil engineering company who promoted the Tunnel to the Eastern Docks project.
Sound theory, costly project that would not be supported by Government money.
Highways Agency would veto it.
Watty
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Alexander/Charlie
Boston USA managed something similar with their Big Dig.
Paul,
would there be EU funding for such an important transnational highway?