Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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Howard, those two serial killers Peter Sutcliffe and Fred West did not kill their victims just so they would be re-housed or get their lost benefits back, Mick Philpott did..
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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david/barry,gidion has lost his moral compass by making political nonsence out of it.it shouldnt have been said full stop.moraly wrong for him to say so.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Why is it morally wrong Brian, he is merely stating what the majority of us accept, that the welfare culture needs addressing.
Do you believe it needs addressing Brian?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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david,lets get things straight,gidion was moraly worng to say what he did when he did,polictical gain.if wefare is the problem why hasnet there been more high profial cases such as the philpots,there hasnt.so while the wellfare programe is working fine as we speak why blame it because of one idiot,idiots wife and idiots friend done what they did.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Don't fall into or for this 'rap Brian.
This issue is just one of the 'problems' created by those in Parliament.
(roughly) one half of Parliament shuffles (real) people off from the dole to disability benefit to make the figures look good, the other half fancy that the word 'job' covers zero-hour and full time employment equally well.
If there is any need for a cultural change it should be one that, first and foremost, should affect Parliament.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 730- Registered: 5 Nov 2011
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:barry
the chancellor gleefully made a political point about the deaths of these children, the politics of the gutter and there is no excuse for it.
He didn't gleefully make a point. He was aked for his view and this is what he actually said:
"Philpott is responsible for these absolutely horrendous crimes and these are crimes that have shocked the nation. The courts are responsible for sentencing him. But I think there is a question for government and for society about the welfare state - and the taxpayers who pay for the welfare state - subsidising lifestyles like that, and I think that debate needs to be had."
That doesn't seem gleeful to me, he was just saying there was a debate to be had. That seems a perfectly reasonable reply.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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tom,thats another debate.zero hours is a farce any way.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Colin, that seems a rather jarring and unnecessary segue between two different topics. This bed GO made for himself.
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Brian, the Chancellor is responsible for the money govt spends, as pointed out he was asked a question and answered it how he saw fit.
I don't rate Osborne but on this issue he is 100% correct.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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The moral point here in my opinion is that the welfare system was being abused by an individual who was farming children in order to reap the financial benefits to support his existence. I don't think that is a party issue,
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SWWood- Location: Dover
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Tom Austin wrote:Colin, that seems a rather jarring and unnecessary segue between two different topics. This bed GO made for himself.
Osborne was asked if the Philpotts were a product of Britain's benefits system. The questioner (referring to a Daily Mail headline) linked the issues, not the Chancellor. How is he supposed to answer?
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#29
That's a point. What was the question he was asked?
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thank you Colin for beating me to that. #26
Osborne was reasonable and factual in his comments.
The reaction of some people on here is very interesting and telling.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I was determined to keep this apolitical but I now give up and will quote from the Grauniad.
"But Philip Collins, a former speech writer to Tony Blair, warned that Labour was in danger of handing the political initiative to the Tories, as polls showed strong support for a crackdown on welfare. In his weekly column in the Times, Collins wrote: "This week the tanker of politics started to turn. The benefit cap - which limits welfare payments so that no family can receive more than average after-tax household earnings - was introduced. Housing benefit cuts began to bite.
"Then the grotesque Mick Philpott became the stooge embodiment of all that is said to be wrong with a culture in which the idle take the rise out of the working population. We may look back on this as the week in which the coalition began to speak again to the British public while the forgetful Labour party slunk back on to the sofa."
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Ye gods, Garstin reads the Guardian
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think you mean staring david.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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The `Few` are having a field day out.................
# 30 as usual playing to the the gullible gallery....
# 36 only when convenient to do so................
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I tried to get the question, The Huffington Post only gives GO's response and the ITN video will not play.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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37, Reg, that playground stuff is not worthy of you.
38, yes Tom, I tried too without success. But I think it's a key question.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i have not seen the interview, only read the reports from various sources.