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    Came across the headlines highlighting the Chancellor's comment on benefits in connection to this, and didn't read the article, as it was sure to be a very cynical statement from what I have come to consider a very, very cynical cabinet personality holding the reigns over the destinies of tens of millions of people and enjoying pulling the strings and watching people jump and fall.

    Don't know what to say about the 3 bedroom council house part, Peter, with 11 children, as my mother was one of 11 children living in a 3 bedroom council house with 2 adults (mother and father), and they got on well.
    My granddad worked and brought in a wage, and plenty of home-grown produce came from the back garden, which included orchard and vegetable plot, plus rabbits.
    At 14 the children were working full time and bringing in wages to the family, before marrying at 17+ (and above).

    In the case in post 1, the £60.000 a year benefits would be quite acceptable counting 11 children, and I doubt they were meant to keep any particular adult in a stylish life-style.

    All in all, I can't see where the benefits comparison comes into it all. Seems irrelevant to the case.

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