howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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The conservative party is finished Howard.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i wouldn't write them off just yet david i suspect many who voted ukip at the county elections will grudgingly vote for them at the next general election to keep the reds out.
i think the decline in membership of the main two will continue as neither of them listen to what their core support has to say.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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I have long felt that our political system has become skewed in favour of those who are in it rather than those (US!) outside. I have written before about the need to move from Westmister, where tradition weighs so heavily, to a purpose built centre with participants sat in alphabetical order rather than by party to break down the herd mentatlity. However, recent technologcal developments have meant that even that thinking is not radical enough and is certainly no longer relevant. Before the 2003 Iraq war, secondary school pupils organised protest by using their mobile phones and the world of political participation changed forever. The political model that we have is cumbersome and slow to change - it hasn't embraced the technological revolution in the past 10 years - and is effectively dying (as witnessed by disengagement). Younger people have become used to, and now expect, 24/7 access, 24/7 impact and 24/7 outcomes; they don't want to wait for committees to drag their way to decisions.
The challenge now is what will replace the present, obsolete model.
Perhaps this is the first step towards true, democratic decision making?
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This link works...
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P.S.
I hopped along to about 8 minutes 20 seconds, and I don't think I missed anything about the 'loomeo' project, which is the main topic of the talk.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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Thanks for making the link work, Tom.
I would urge anyone interested to watch the full 17 minutes. The first half is given to examples of how people around the world have begun to organise themselves and their activities - not waiting for committee meetings to decide what to do but just getting out there and doing. This is a fundamental shift in thinking that the younger generation are making their own. We are in the early stages of an information revolution that will have far wider consequences than the agrarian or industrial revolutions in that the outcome could be far more unsettling. As the speaker notes, previous revolutions have shifted power from one small group to another; the information revolution could put the power in the hands of the masses. Everything we now know, and the systems that we now use, could be made redundant almost overnight as this gathers momentum. The genie is out of the bottle - hold tight!
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Hold tight indeed......
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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totally enthralling, we have already seen how revolutions happen and governments fall because of ordinary peoples access to the internet and mobile phones.
the big governments we have all got used to in the west and the third world look cumbersome and out of touch with their people, will watch eagerly what happens next.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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The new Dover district ukip party needs new members to get the local party up and running,
so at the next election you will have an alternative voice for your vote.
Old labour, old Tory welcome,
If you support self government, and the bringing back of power to the UK parliament so we can govern our selves and believe the British should come first, join us.
Keith Sansum1
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And if you support turn coats telling people they will sort out allowances
then speak to increase the allowances even higher
VOTE UKIP
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you're not going to let that drop keith, are you?
Brian Dixon
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super glued to it howard.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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its important people remember right up to the election
and yep, I will remind them
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Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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Mark ,I whole heartedly agree that there as been a sea change and that maybe the tides of history have turned.Two things. I was recently in discussion with someone who agrees that politics in this country has become to Westminister centric and that it is very hard sometimes for politicians to escape the centralising impulse.He also agreed that technology maybe the only way that true democratic politics can survive and reintroduce its self to the majority,rather than become the habitat of the minority.A word of warning though,as we know, the reactionary forces of conservative (small c) thought have always managed in the end to control and undermine any genuine information revolution.
Guest 688- Registered: 16 Jul 2009
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P.s, he also believed that the cost of moving from Westminster would be exorbitantly prohibitive.That does not stop us wishing though.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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That wasn't a mutual friend of ours who was speaking on the same subject on Newsnight the other night was it John?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Like many it would be great to see the sea change
it will take some time
unfortunately UK residents have got used to failure/being knocked back/not used to change/unwilling to demonstrate/put up with there lot/ just don't vote/have little trust
need I go on??
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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and all that stems from barrys blue friends.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Whilst Brian
some of the issues are the fault of barryw's lot
they are not the total blame
politicians from ALL parties are at fault
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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and mugs like us put them there.
