Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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4 November 2009
16:4732386#1
A 22 year old paedophile is to be beheaded and crucified (not sure in which order?) after being found guilty by a Saudi Court of raping five children.The youngest of which was 3 years old and left for dead in the desert before luckily being found alive.
I have mixed feelings about this news.Half of me is saying "Yep top the barsteward" and the other half is saying"but he is only 22yrs old and maybe with treatment even castration (as a last resort) he could go on to be rehabilitated and returned to society".
I have also thought of what I would do if it were my kids he had attacked but thats an emotive view and not always the best way to make a decision.
Over to other forumites.............
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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4 November 2009
17:2032389#2
I do not think he should be crucified,but the thing is it will stop others doing it.
Hanging Yes .But he must have know the law but still went ahead with it
But I FEEL FOR THE CHILDREN and what they and their familys feel like now,and that will be with them all their lifes.
When you read about paedophiles in the U.K. most of us say hang them.
Or lock them away for ever.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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4 November 2009
18:0832394#3
Off with his head. Might have come from a bad background, not his fault, but if they got away with it, like they do in this country, with the dogooders, they`d be more. It`s a deterent, and it works. So, off with his head.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 November 2009
18:1532397#4
Beheading must be a deterrent - at least for this guy.
I have no sympathy for him at all, whatever his age. I don't think you can cure a paedophile, so either lock them up for good - they will always be a danger to children, or top 'em.
Roger
4 November 2009
19:3832400#5
No excuses. If you abuse kids, you get whatever you deserve. I'll happily send them a few spare nails and they can sling that Gary Glitter sicko up alongside him.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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4 November 2009
20:2232406#6
Crucifed, beheaded.......beheaded, cricified. way over the top.
Either one would do nicely, no need for both.
Then get the law passed over here.
Oh sorry, that needs to come from Brussels dont it.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
4 November 2009
20:2832408#7
A good point well made, Ian.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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4 November 2009
20:3432413#8
I see another serial killer caught in the U.S. A number of womens decomposed bodies found in his garden. Imprisoned for rape in 1989 for 15 years, then released in 2004, and raped again and murdered them. Had he been executed at the time of conviction, they`d all be alive now, but no one will ever know. What I`m saying is, getting rid of this scum on Mareks topic, has saved misery for many other children, but again, we`ll never know who, or how many.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
4 November 2009
20:4532418#9
I cannot condone murder, even if it is state sanctioned (or perhaps because...)But my experience is that paedophiles don't change, however much we would like to think they do. Why would we imagine that locking someone away in prison would have any impact at all on those obviously warped and unnatural perversions? Anyone who is guilty of that needs to be away from society forever - not killed, locked away. It is not worth the risk: their human right to freedom withers into insignificance measured against our chuldrens safety.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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4 November 2009
20:4932422#10
When someone is excecuted ( with posotive proof ). It's over, done with, and hopefully the victims can get on with their lives.
If they are released and it happens again, the previous victims and the new victims are affected, and so it goes on.
Hanging? does anyone remember someone called Saddam. soon forgotten about.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Brian Dixon
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4 November 2009
21:1332425#11
so this chap gets the chop and then gets put out to dry.wanders will never cease.
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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4 November 2009
21:1432427#12
Beheading will certainly discourage re-offending. Crucifying a headless corpse does seem gruesome, obviously done "pour encourager les autres".
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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4 November 2009
21:3632431#13
Now now Del boy steady on.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 November 2009
23:2732442#14
Its not his head I would chop off, not the one on his shoulders anyway.....
5 November 2009
00:1732446#15
I loath kiddie fiddlers more than just about anything else in the known universe and the idea of killing a child pervert fills me with deep joy. However, it is just "the idea" of it that I relish. I actually feel pretty uncomfortable with the "reality" of it. After all, it stinks of Sharia Law to commit such brutal acts against criminals (beheading, breaking limbs for shoplifting, that sort of thing) and when asked most UK folk are against Sharia Law... but they do seem to make a few exceptions. I have seen a few of the Internet videos of Islamic executions and they are really terrible things to behold, even when you know the person being tortured / beheaded / shot is the worst kind of criminal, seeing him killed in such a way does little to satisfy you. I imagine that if you are a victim of a terrible crime and you see the perpetrator executed, it does very little to imbue a sense of "justice". In fact it probably just amplifies the trauma.
This is quite possibly the most difficult dilemma to answer. On the one hand, pedophiles are the crap of the world, they deserve nothing but the worst that life can put upon them, and many of us feel very cheated that they get to spend their lives either protected by do-gooders or watchign free cable TV all day in a warm cell at our expense. Death is surely a desirable option. On the other hand, do we actually want to reduce ourselves to their level by committing what amounts to an act of "revenge" rather than "justice"? I'm not sure that death sentences in the name of state justice are essentially good for the society that permits them.
I respond like most people do, my knee-jerk reaction is usually highly emotive and I cry "kill the evil b****rds!". This topic has really made me think though. I am looking forward to the Execution of Gary Glitter on Channel 4 next week which should spark some very interesting and lively debate about this very topic.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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5 November 2009
08:0932447#16
For the first time for a long time I find myself agreeing with the comments of RICK.
Whilst none of us have any time for these people, do we realy get any satisfaction from an execution?, and RICK explains realy well how realy we don't.
I don't believe in taking lives anyway so i come from a clear stand point, but well done RICK very good postings
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 November 2009
08:4232458#17
Whether it's called revenge or justice, matters not; it will most certainly stop them re-offending; they have committed the most heinous of crimes and should pay the ultimate penalty.
Roger
5 November 2009
09:1732460#18
Which means of course that those delivering that ultimate penalty on my behalf would also have committed a heinous crime. It is a nasty cirlce that needs to be closed off. Prison is not the joy we all seem to think it is. Sure, there are some nice cushy numbers although not too many, but the deprivation of liberty and free will and the giving up of options is a major penalty. We seem to think the "free telly and sandwiches" will make up for never walking free again. It won't. And I know how much bullying is inflicted on the kiddy fiddlers - and I don't care! I haven't had anyone killed in my name, they are off the streets forever - good enough for me.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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5 November 2009
09:5332463#19
BERN
With you on this one
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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5 November 2009
13:0832467#20
As per Ian's signature line...
When in Rome...
If that is Saudi law then so be it. I think Rick has summarised the situation for "civilised" countries very well.
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!