Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#1
some good news from the above, might just might get rid of the floating razor blade.
https://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/giant-ferries-to-set-sail-212847/Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,109
#2
"The hulls will be far broader that than of the ferries they replace..."
How interesting, because you'd tend to think that either the exit(s) would have to be offset or the berths moved, and yet
"...double bridges, meaning no physical turnaround on arrival and departure, will save seven minutes' journey time."
Struggling to picture this.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#3
it can be done, it worked on seaspeeds big cats.
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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#4
I guess so, but what about the pointy end?
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#5
its a pointy end that's all,
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,261
#6
Button wrote:"The hulls will be far broader that than of the ferries they replace..."
"...double bridges, meaning no physical turnaround on arrival and departure, will save seven minutes' journey time."
Struggling to picture this.
Perhaps onboard ramps? I'm guessing there is very little lateral shift in the current setup.
Double bridges suggests it would be bidirectional, cannot see how that will work for hull efficiency, though might be missing the elephant in the room that is the kentonline!
Arte et Marte
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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#7
Yes, but the point is going to be further away from the pier alongside, isn't it? I guess they will be broad enough for the vehicles to turn around on board and discharge from the end they embarked on.
One thing's for sure, the old principle of one ferry always loading (ie. lots of smallish vessels) is well and truly dead, so the pulse effect on post-discharge controls of larger loads will increase.
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Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,095
#8
All this to 'save' 7 minutes? Where to 'bank' that 7 minutes? In a traffic jam on the périphérique? In a cup of French 'tea'? A few extra laps of the Whitfield roundabout? Better to leave that 7 minutes where it is and use it to enjoy the view from deck, feel the docking shudder, or wait for your face to turn a paler shade of green. Surely 'tis better to travel hopefully than to arrive?
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 3,109
#9
Weird Granny Slater wrote:Surely 'tis better to travel hopefully than to arrive?
This is P&O we're talking about; I thought it was Sealink that used the pointy end to find France (bit like me using the wheels to find the curb).
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
#10
Damn clever, these Chinese. The Star ferry ships in HK have a central bridge and go the same speed in both directions so they never waste time turning round. It’s not just the 7 minutes saved but the burning of the extra ton of fossil fuel.
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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#11
Bit like the Jolene then?
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Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
- Posts: 2,599
#12
Sounds like new berths at Dover and Calais,.
Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
#13
I don’t see why new berths would be required. If extra on-board capacity is provided by an 18m extension in length and a modest increase in beam, surely they can be designed to fit existing linkspans? 18m is the length of one truck or three cars. Five metres additional beam would accommodate an extra traffic lane the length of the ship on each deck.
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Captain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
- Registered: 8 Oct 2012
- Posts: 8,397
#14
And all #InSpiteOfBrexit!
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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#15
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
#16
ahh I can see it now, its the same lay out inside as the big dfds ships.
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Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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#17
Button wrote:I guess they will be broad enough for the vehicles to turn around on board and discharge from the end they embarked on.
It is OK for you lot to tell me when I'm talking a load of tosh, you know! You drive on end A and drive off end B as now; it's just that, coming from France, end B doesn't have to bring up the rear. Simples.
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
- Posts: 614
#18
#17, yes Button, these ships have 2 sharp ends. Although your first suggestion was not as daft as it sounded. When you went Ramsgate to Ostend with Sally Line, you turned round on board and went in and out via the stern ramp.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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#19
From Liverpool to the Isle of Man you used to go in the side and then up and round like a multi-storey car park. (BTW, m-scp crime - that's just wrong on so many levels!)
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