Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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29 September 2009
21:0729511#1
Most of you have seen on the T.V. over the last few weeks of the way our brave fishing men go out in their small Trawlers in all weathers just to get fish back to our mainland.
Well I think they are not geting a good deal,over the pass few weeks we have been seeing them go out when the weather has been very bad and they stayout there still trying to get a good catch if they do not get one then they do not get paid,some of their boats cost about 2million punds tobuy,they get them them with loans etc and at this time they are fineing it very hard to get a living out of it,but that is all they know and their familys before them.Also they can only go out 36days ayear they, they can only fish for so much Cod and must make it up with other fish,they even have to put the Cod back into the sea if they are to small or have gone over the top with their catch,but the fish are dead when they put them back,this can not be right.
Also last week a fishman came back with some Cod and he was over the top,and this is a person who had a crew to pay and also pay back some of his loan,also he had to do some repairs at sea and lost two of his nets, so you could say he had his back to the wall,and what happen to this poor man when he got back to the U.K.did he get any help to help him in anyway,or let off a month with his payment,It was a no to that he got 4MONTHS IN JAIL is that the right thing to do ,he was only trying to get a living for him and his crew and that was not the last of it,he had his boat taken off him.I think it is time to let our fishing men go out alot more and fish the seven seas all the rest do it we are the only one keeping to the rules and that is not fair .i would like to know how you all feel about this? Do you think it is time that they gave more help to our fishing men?
I remain your s faithfully Vic Matcham Just to had to this story it all happen at Xmas last year I found that all very sad not only for him but all the familys to, H
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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29 September 2009
22:2029515#2
victor
the EU rules forbid our fisherpersons to fish or catch too much in our waters.
there is also the problem with over fishing and leaving stocks so depleted that little is left for the next generation to catch.
30 September 2009
07:3829522#3
Granted, but we still need to realistically look at how the UK fishing industry is treated compared to across europe. We may be in danger of losing a sector that is part of UK heritage. We are, believe it or not, an island, and we should have the right to fish our own waters responsibly. Imagine a tiny island like Britain blocked from fishing!!! Bizarre!!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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30 September 2009
08:1029526#4
I think there is alot more we can do to help them,as seen on the T,V. still alot of fish out there it is only the Cod that there is not alot off.I still think they should fish more days in a year also to try and build up the fishing fleet again that will also help with jobs not only at sea but on the mainland aswell,I agree it will be a few in number just 100s but it would help in fishing communitys around the U.K. Puting that fishman in Jail was not the right thing to do.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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30 September 2009
09:4329539#5
Who wanted to join Europe,not me!
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Ross Miller
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30 September 2009
10:0129545#6
Vic you are right there are lots of fish species that are still abundant, however it is the popular fish (Cod, Herring etc.) that are threatened.
What needs to happen is for people to change their eating habits and start eating things like Gurnard, Ling, Coley etc. thus giving the white fish a chance to recover.
Coupled with this fisherman need to do more in terms of the gear they use, changing net mesh sizes, net styles etc. to limit by-catch. their are certain methods that should be banned because of the indiscriminate way they catch fish, e.g. purse-seine nets and bottom trawling. Also they can look at alternatives such as long line and species specific drift gill nets.
John, I wanted to join the EU, but one that ONLY enacted laws that really needed to be pan-european, that promoted and protected free trade amongst its members, that ensured their was freedom of movement of people. Further in order to ensure the second and third points they would need over time to work with (not impose upon) national governments to equalise the rights, duties and responsibilities of people and organisations; though this should only have been done through consensus.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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30 September 2009
10:0729546#7
I was hoping to get alot more posts on this one,sometimes it is not all about Dover and us.
I am not having ago at anyone just puting over my point of view,this case is just one of 1000s around the U.K. that needs to be looked at and put right time is running out for the fishing, and if we sit back and do nothing it will go over the next few years and it will not come back and as a fishing nation that will be sad and bad,so please let see more posts on it and hope it will get picked up by our M.P.and he will look into it.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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30 September 2009
12:0929554#8
Hi annoys me is Ross how is life in Denham,what annoys me is the fish that are caught and thrown back because they are over the limit,of course most of the ones that go back become birds feed
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
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30 September 2009
12:1629555#9
sorry that should read what annoys me,I manage to wipe out some of the text.
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Brian Dixon
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30 September 2009
16:1229561#10
the british or should i say the uks fishing qouta gets disscused in europe by some faseless knobs from london,who have the skills of a low life asking you got any dosh mush type atitude.you will find that these faseless people are brow beaton into submission.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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30 September 2009
19:0829568#11
Hi John - life in Denham is not bad, but am on a weeks holiday, ask me at the end next week after a week of Chiltern Railways
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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1 October 2009
07:1629581#12
Someone mentioned changing eating habits when it comes to fish and I agree, but the fish shop in Castle Street tried this for several months and gave up. Maybe others did too, but people are just so set in their ways.
He was selling Pollack and chips (a reasonable size piece of fish) for £3.30, over a pound less than cod, but gave up as no one (I did, but obviously not enough - it's a tasty white fish) bought it.
Roger
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4 October 2009
09:5329805#13
I said this before I was hoping to see alot more views on this with support going to the fishingmen they need all the support they can get just to get a living,we do not even hear about them in the papers if just one of the big boys picked up about it and made it headlines for a week we might just see someing happen to gave them help.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 October 2009
17:0129809#14
roger
i have had pollack a few times, i find it a very poor substitute for cod.
a lot of places try to fob it off as cod, describing it as "fish and chips", intimating that it is cod.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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4 October 2009
17:0929810#15
howard,pollock is a close relivetive to cod allong with hake and a few others.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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4 October 2009
19:3629825#16
that is true brian, but i do not like the less moist taste of it, if i do not then i suspect others feel the same.
they dish it up on a major ferry line, just call it "fish and chips", but people do know the difference.
there is a shortage of the real stuff through over fishing(not just by our lot), eventually stocks will recover.
5 October 2009
06:2929832#17
If allowed to do her job and left in peace, Mother Nature has a way of sorting herself out.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 October 2009
07:2229836#18
I agree Bern, but Mother Nature is sadly, never left in peace.
The massive (Russian/Spanish etc.) fishing factories are where the majority of fish are scooped up; that's where the shortages are caused, not by our little fishing fleets; they could fish forever and not cause this level of depletion.
Roger
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5 October 2009
08:5329845#19
Thank you for your post,but again how can we help our fishing men,I think they again need to look at our laws which at this time are not helping them,i think they should be fishing more days in the year,
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 October 2009
10:1129849#20
They're EU laws Vic. that's why we need not be a part of their ruling structure - no one takes any notice of their laws, but us.
Roger