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  Yes a good post there BarryW. I think the point though is not that they are losing on the ground but how can it ever be sustained. Unless you annexe Afghanistan for ever, the tide of normal life will surge back in when the 'foreign troops' eventually pull out.
  
  I know Gordon Brown keeps telling us there are more kids in school but the poppy industry is still huge and in fact on ITN the other night they said it has in fact grown over the past few years. Something like 93% of the worlds heroin comes from there and still does. It's the only crop that will decently grow there. Take that away and all will starve.
  
  The troops are a steadying presence, in a policing role, maintaining a weak and corrupt government, and taking casualties and unfortunately will go on taking more...but at the end of the day will it make any difference to an almost neanderthal state that essentially still survives on the drug trade.

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