Keith Sansum1
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Barryw
Shall we explore your postings a little further,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Your view appears to be to get the debt down, and your way is to big job cuts big time to the public sector,
Whilst I understand the need to get the debt down, I do question the method.
You will argue the private industry will pick up the slack, but thats more hope than fact.
Surely by slinging millions on the dole, makes less spending power9people will spend a lot less) which would affect the system?
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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With the US government going into shutdown, the US economy may also go into shutdown, in particular if no agreement is reached on the US debt ceiling.
This could have a knock-on effect in Britain, which is a net exporter to the USA.
It could also have a snowball effect on the share markets and on the banking system worldwide.
The private sector could be in for a very, very big surprise
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Doom, gloom, bust and gone ... with the wind ....
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BarryW #28
I go on all websites, not just left wing ones, that way I get a more informed view of real life, you should try it and you might learn something. You keep insisting I am a left wing tribalist but there is more chance of me having a friendly drink with you in the pub than me getting involved with politicks.
You know that many of these cuts to benefits and alterations to working practices, have sod all to do with reducing the deficit; they are attacks against the vulnerable, sick and those that you think only belong on the bottom of your shoe but you would have to grow a pair to admit to that, so I won't hold my breath.
Just how will forcing Stephanie's parents to downsize their home or force them to lose 14% of their benefit, help them in the future or help with providing an "economy that can provide more help to those who deserve it?"
You obviously feel that they and all the other 1000's of genuine disable people don't deserve it. You really need a few weeks in a wheel chair with one of your family wiping your ar-e for you before you will ever start to understand what its like in the real world of disability.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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in a world of graphs, statistics, piecharts and spectator coffeehouse articles there is no room for concern about the sick and vulnerable.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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it appears that the cutbacks in benefits will do little to make much difference to the decifit
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Brian Dixon
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well America is bust sort of,the uk will be next.wait until the bubble bursts.and it wont be labours fault this time.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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interesting comments in the mail,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
UK debt with Tories in power
in 2012 £1.39 trillion up 7%on 2011!!!!!
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Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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I don't do politics or have as good an understanding of financial matters as some. I do understand that I have less money in MY pocket and that this has worsened during this political administration. All my utility bills have risen, wages have not, leaving me a short fall that is eating away at my savings.
By all means invest in business BUT do it in such a way that any investment has strict terms and conditions attached to it, i.e. it is not for fat cat salaries and is used to train/ support the workers and their conditions.
Local authorities should ONLY be able to reduce housing benefit IF they have SUITABLE accommodation to offer the tenant and it is refused on unreasonable grounds.
Visiting the Job Centre daily has not been thought thro'. It would cost the claiment £5 a day in bus fares to attend from my village. Would they have the right to claim this back? Or, heaven forbid, do they take more food out of their childrens mouth. Does not take an economist to work that one out.
It is high time we put some heart back into policies, it ain't all about money.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ttrue
money don't buy you happiness
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think that was a conference gimmick by dave about attending job centres daily - the staff could not cope and they would have to pay the claimants bus fares, in some cases 25 quid a week as lesley has said.
besides when would claimants attend interviews?
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Not so sure that its a gimmick Howard. These sort of schemes/policies are usually dreamed up by 'thinkers' in policy units based in the metropolis where the target claimants have the option of walking to the nearest job center. Never crosses their minds that outside the metropolis the nearest job center is often several hours walk away.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I wonder if they've thought about how many supervisors they might need to pay to look after the new workers, and how many people might possibly lose their jobs, such as litter pickers, when local authorities find it is being done for free.
Its just another scapegoat for the government to use to deflect the public from thinking about their lack of real policies, and demonising another section of society as they sit in luxury in their ivory towers, scheming how to fiddle a few more pounds out of their expenses, or having a free lunch with newspaper proprietors or merchant bankers of various descriptions.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the bit that bothers me is that we keep hearing about community service orders that are handed out by the courts but we still see weeds, rubbish, peeling paint and general neglect wherever we go.
i know that the corn mill utilised this resource locally but i don't know of anywhere else, every job of this type seems to be carried out by volunteers and now they want force unemployed people to do these things even if they have done nothing wrong.
something doesn't seem quite right.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Its a diversionary tactic. The bedroom 'tax' is another one. While the squeezed middle suffer, the government blames different sections of society, the unemployed and the disabled for example, as the reason they are being squeezed, and the public tend to believe it, as you've seen from some of the bigoted comments on this forum.
The facts are that you can't get a job if there are no jobs.
You can't downsize your house if there are no houses available.
Policies that have not been thought through, and are just made up almost on the spot to appease the voters who lean further to the right.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think Barrie even garyc(affected by these issues)agrees the system is a shambles
and needs reform
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Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I agree that the system needs reform, but it needs thinking about rather than just making up idiotic policies as a sop to the masses.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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good barrie well thats a start
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I've often wondered why "Community Service" doesn't extend to clearing weeds out of pavements and gutters. I appreciate that Elf 'n Safety will (probably) play a large part of why not.
I also agree that it is wrong to reduce peolple's benefit if they are happy/willing to down-size, when there's none available.
There was a case recently where a disabled person won their argument against having their benefits reduced.
"A woman who is unable to share a bedroom with her husband because of her disabilities has won an appeal against the Government's spare-room subsidy policy. The tribunal found that Redcar and Cleveland Council had "not taken into consideration her disabilities and her reasonable requirements".
The Times, Page: 7 Daily Mirror, Page: 9".
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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That has been highlighted roger
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