Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Vic, if you are still in Scotland give my best wishes to Andy & Michelle.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Minutes of PCF meetings are not distributed except to participants so as far as the community at large are concerned it all goes on behind closed doors. However, if you go onto DTC's website and look for agendas of full council meetings, the latest PCF minutes are included for all to see. I was amused to see in one recent set of minutes, DHB were chuffed that the DWDR scheme had the support of the Dover Ladies' Luncheon Club. No offence to the ladies intended of course!
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr Watkins not gone to Scotland this year yet but will be off soon .I will do what you aske for by email this week or on the phone but I know they are doing OK but Michelle mum has been in Hos/but home again now.There is not much more I can say about my views on the Port and how it is run.Thank you all for your feed backs.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I have this evening received an email from the MMO (the body which approves Harbour revision orders) telling me that the DHB's HRO has been approved and that DTC's remaining points of objection have been overridden as being inconsequential or trivial. The way is now clear for Neil and Samantha to be appointed to the board of DHB.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
Good, maybe DHB will now get on with appointing them at long last, or will DHB come up with more delaying tactics.
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Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,259
That will upset several of our town councillors! Good luck to Neil and Samantha
Arte et Marte
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
They are not there yet and for one I hope it will stay that way.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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DHB can't delay, it's set in stone wef 25 March.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
- Posts: 3,259
Vic I fail to understand your logic, on one hand you want greater community and port integration, the DHB say they want the same, the community want a voice at DHB to better voice the town concerns, you can't have it all ways this contradicts many of your stated opinions. Its one thing to play devils advocate but it's illogical to do that while having such a strong desire for betterment of the town.
Arte et Marte
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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I have always failed to grasp Vic's logic and he has always struggled with mine. But we remain friends. Would that that was the case with local politics.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
The DHB forum can give out and take note all the views of the public of Dover more then two paid members who will only put their own views over to the D,H,B, but thank you for your views.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
I haven't quite fathomed out why the Person's port people are so happy with having two representatives with no real power. I think his worshipful the mayor has seen through it.
As for the Port and community forum, I am trying not to laugh.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Two is a beginning. We have to work with what is possible for the time being. We have been working at it for seven years. We aren't going to quit now, it's only a matter of time before the spectre of privatisation rears its ugly head again and we need to make sure the town can rescue its port from the greedy venture capital industry.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
- Posts: 1,031
Vic has his views but doesn't understand what is happening.
Having heard various stories about how this project is being financed I think this is something that needs to be brought more into the public eye, hopefully Neil and Samantha will keep us better informed than DHB have.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I know more then you think but that does not matter,
Some time ago on this very forum we were told by Mr Wiggins that he was not a member of any group or in With the way Mr Garistin and his few followers are still carrying on the fight they lost years ago .But as you can see in post 34 By Mr Garistin the heading TWO IS A BEGINNING AND MORE WILL FOLLOW. so that is telling me that Mr Wiggins is still in the same group he was in more then two years go that fell to buy and take over the port.
D.H.B. would do better by keeping both of them out and running the port a long the lines they have be doing in the last two years,They do not need to take them on ,they should not even be talking to them all the D,H,B, is doing at this time is playing into the hands of a group that want to get rid of them.The D.H.B. have their hands full with all the new build they are doing, the last thing they or Dover needs now is for them to get sided tracked by this very small group or the local press.
Get all the new build done A,S P so the public of Dover can see it for them selfs.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I don't remember Neil saying that he was not a member of DPPT at any time but that Mr Garstin was taking over the role of chairman after he was appointed to the board of DHB.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Then you need to have a read up again.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Howard, I stepped down as Chairman of the DPPT and left the organisation in December 2014. Actions that I had undertaken to do were I to be selected as a Non-Executive Director of the DHB. I delivered exactly as I had undertaken to do. I have also previously said the same on this forum.
Neither Samantha or I are members of the DPPT.
However, both Samantha and I are members of the community with significant insights as to how the activities of the port impact on it and our wider experience and knowledge of disparate subject matters will add to the richness and diversity of the Board. We were selected after a rigorous and extended interview and selection process by a diverse panel of interviewers. Perhaps Peter's reference to the approval of the HRO and the consequent appointment of two community directors being a beginning, when read without the clear bias that you show Mr Vic, merely means that Peter sees it as the first major step in ensuring that the community has a real voice at the highest level within the port which will ensure that the spectre of a private equity sale, so ably defeated by the appearance of the DPPT on the scene, will not again hove into view to haunt all of our futures.
Your continued misunderstanding/misrepresentation of the situations both past and present with regards to the DPPT is disappointing Mr Vic.
Even though I am no longer a member of it, I did Chair the organisation towards some very hard won victories to ensure that the port was not sold off to remote private equity interests and that had the government of the day chosen to proceed with a sale, the community was funded and in a position to have been able to buy it and own it in perpetuity - I am very pleased with all that the organisation achieved.
You forget Mr Vic;
it was not the DPPT that wanted to put the port up for sale - it was the DHB
it was not the DPPT that wanted to get rid of the DHB - it was the DHB
and since the private equity sale proposed by the DHB was rejected by the Govt and a community led buy-out was ruled out, the DPPT has not wanted to get rid of the DHB.
When I was still Chair (prior to December 2014), once the private equity sale of the port was rejected and a community buy-out was ruled out, the DPPT pushed for reform of the DHB and lobbied hard to ensure that the port would be reformed and would change the way in which it approached relationships with its community and its users. Many of those changes have begun to happen.
Now (and since December 2014) that I am a private individual I do not want to abolish the DHB or get rid of it. I want to see it working in harmony with its community, listening to and acting on the concerns raised by the community, taking fully into account the negative impacts that its growing throughput can have on its stakeholders and making informed and wise decisions to implement mitigation as much as possible.
Mr Vic, I have not been in the least bit untruthful and I really do resent your insinuation that I have. I have not been a member of the DPPT since December 2014. So I am neither a member of the group that Peter Chairs or 'with' that group in anyway other than that we might harbour some of the same aspirations for all to conduct business in an open, transparent and honest manner with all good faith.
The comments I post here are my own and do not represent the views of any organisation or public body.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
thankls neil,for clearing things up.