Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#1
The Finnish finance minister, Jutta Urpilainen, said in a newspaper interview this morning that she'd consider crashing her AAA-rated country out of the eurozone rather than face paying the debts of another country.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Jan Higgins
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#2
I would not blame her one bit if she did just that.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#3
There is none so blind as those who will not see.
There are indeed winners associated with the EU and all it's doings;Germany, Finland etc.
Why so surprised that there are losers also?
"What's mine is mine, no matter that it was once yours and through your own 'stupidity' you failed to profit as I have done."
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#4
The winners did not beggar their economy with building massive deficits.... Now they are being expected to pay for the irresponsibility of others.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#5
As in `all`families do you cast off a son or daughter because they are irresponsible with money?....no you bring them in line.
Oh ye of little faith....How`s that Tom ?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#6
every government minister must do what is best for his/her country, the finnish lady is clearly doing so.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#7
You ain't seen nothing yet.
The Greeks are moaning about austerity, its not even started
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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#8
It's not as simple as that. Germany were quite happy for the euro to benefit their exports to countries such as Greece knowing full well that this was unsustainable. They are in no position to take the moral high ground. It was Germany, amongst other eu nations, who were complicit in this fiasco. Germany were among the worst when it came to breaking eu financial rules but it served their purposes well in the beginning. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#9
Philip, it wont be the Germans who come off worse, yes they'll find it difficult, but countries like Greece are in serious trouble and they've only got themselves to blame.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#10
they would not be able to take the austerity knowing that some of their countrymen are unaffected by it.
i expect the return of the military.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#11
#5
But Reg - you do them no favours by just bailing out that 'family member' and letting them carry on with their irresponsible ways because you willonly end up bailing them out again and one day that has to stop.
Sometime you have to be cruel to be kind and make that family member face the facts of their irresponsible actions.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#12
# 11....Correction.......no one said `bail out`.......
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#13
Sometimes it is best to let an irresponsible or unruly family member leave the nest, to kick them out - it can be the making of them as I know.
You may not have said bailing out but from the Finnish point of view that is what would effectively happen and is why they are talking about leaving the Eurozone....
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#14
# 11 and # 13.....no one said `bail out`....
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#15
We went through this with the arms sales to Greece from the UK & Germany, the sums owing for same are part of the Greek deficit, are they not?
So...the Greeks may well be said to have acted 'irresponsibly' in amassing a Navy the capabilities of which far exceed the needs of the Greeks, but are we then to deny any culpability? All be it that bribery was involved.
On the other hand, while 'we' cry-out for Greece to get tough on their taxation front...should we not be doing the same?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#16
Tom - I suggest that you find out more about their deficit and the meaning of the word deficit. Strange how people mix it up with debt to create an argument that suits them.
Reg - read what was said in full, make an attempt to understand it and respond to that.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#17
Taxes, Barry...did my use of that term confuse you?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#18
Tom he is still confused with `bring them into line`and `bail out`......don`t expect to much...
Brian Dixon
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#19
yep we are all in it together arnt we.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#20
You have a real problem in English comprehension Reg - perhaps it is deliberate. 'Bringing into line' - is that not what Germany is trying to do with Greece by enforcing austerity measures? is it not true that the alternative is to bail them out as a response to their financial irresponsibility? is it not true that responsible Finland are objecting to rewarding Greek (and Spanish, Portugese etc) irresponsibility by bailing them out? This is what this is all about.
You play stupid as a way to cover up. It does not work.