Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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#21
We have some stocks in Tilmanstone - unlock them I say !!
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#22
Have had a look Dave but you would need a full web address complete with
http:// and all that...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#23
will be interesting to see if this has any effect.
pinned up at st martins battery.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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#24
No Martin not directly aimed at you at all and no I could never ever see us going back to flogging or the stocks, I would be some sort of an idiot to think so. However I do believe we have gone far too far the other way.
Community Pay Back does work in most cases and being at the Crabble Corn Mill I have seen firsthand a lot of what happens. Yes some come back time and again and you have to ask why, but many do not as they have learnt the error of their ways. However Community Pay Back is only for the over 18's as far as I am aware.
The under 18's is where we lack in giving out some sort of discipline. They are happy to carry out anti social acts in the full knowledge very little will happen. As I said before the worst they get is a police caution very seldom does it go to court.
If you catch vandals in the act then all you get is verbal abuse and they tell you to your face that nothing will happen to them and god forbid that you should lay your hand on them, even if it's to try and stop them running away. So yes we are too soft, the do gooders have got rid of the old ways of discipline but nothing has replaced them. There has to be a way of hitting them where it hurts by taking their free time from them in just the same way as Community Pay Back does. Certainly fining the parents does no good.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#25
we seem to be in broad agreement over community payback except that it should be extended to include young offenders.
harry
you have said before about using the scheme for the benefit of the mill, what sort of hours did the people work and can you give us an idea of what the offences had been.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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#26
Most are petty theft, anti social. Driving offences etc, we will not have people there that have committed offences that could be of risk to the mill or the local community. They do 6 hours a day on Community pay back with a lunch break, there is a probation officer in attendance and if any on Pay Back do not toe the line, then they go back to court.
They appear to get from 50 to 300 hours community work depending on the crime. As I have said there has been a lot done at the Mill and we use the Mill as a base with them going out to do work for River Parish Council, Temple Ewell Parish Council and Dover District Council.
It is I am told from 17 years old but I personally see no reason why younger people cannot do clearing up and things like graffiti removing as long as they are supervised and not in danger.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#27
We hope to contact community payback later in the year Harry for something on the Heights - presumably they do weekend and one off projects?
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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#28
Don't you know about the bigger scheme you lot.?
You send all of these bad offenders on adventure holidays thinking it will make better people of them.
You and I pay for it, they go home afterwards and invent better ways of robbing people and ripping off society.
Tis the way of the world now ( in England ), GET USED TO IT.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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#29
I make a post..... usually the end of the thread.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 648- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#30
Pleased to see Dover Mercury covered the story re Mindless Damage.Maybe just Maybe a parent will take note and wonder where their off spring was last Saturday .
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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#31
I take it you mean the youngsters Ian then I agrre with you but Community Pay Back is certainly not a holiday, it takes up their time and they have to carry out projects within the community. I am sure you know that having spent many hours at the Mill.
Paul yes they do work weekends and one off projects, I would think the Probation Service would love to hear from you as they are always looking for new projects. Do you know who to contact or would you like me to find out for you.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#32
Dave1
I had no 'luck' with your image either. I did find other videos of public floggings, but people (fools) shall have to dig them out for themselves.
It is the 'honourable' ladies and gents of the past two or three decades that deserve to be publicly dealt with, they are immured to whipping in any case.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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#33
Let the punishment fit the crime ?? -
Following is an Old Bailey report from an 1809 newspaper, lots of death sentences for theft, housebreaking etc.
Transportations etc.
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#34
Up to date contacts would be good Ian if you have them, we have some loopholes to get through first and would thhen like to try make contact with them
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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#35
Paul the phone number we use is the the duty momile number 07717766338 at Folkestone and you will get the duty Probation Officer. They should be able to help you.
Hope this helps
Harry
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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#36
Now Transportation there is an idea to start up again, after all it not barbaric look how Australia has turned out.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#37
Thanks Harry
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#38
We are in the mire because of 'liberal' and soft sentencing.
We need some tough, very tough punishments and I include the lash in that.
Discipline is in indeed the answer but who would deliver it?
Parents who have no idea themselves what it is and are scared to punish their kids anyway
Teachers who are not allowed to lay a hand on the little blighters
The simple fact is that we need a reaction against soft touch punishments and to get tough. There are worse things than caning some young thug, like letting them get away with their behaviour and making life impossible for decent people.
Guest 752- Registered: 21 May 2012
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#39
We have problems in Deal as well with shop windows being smashed. Perhaps the answer (if caught) is to hit them or their parents where it hurts - in the wallet. How about a £1000 fine. That should stop them spending their benefit money on booze and drugs.
Alternatively (for the do gooders) we could always put them on the Jeremy Kyle show
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#40
Ian. I think adventure holidays in Helmand might do the trick.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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