Milk...Supermarkets...
- 21 July 2012 09:58183884Have a friend who is a Diary farmer.he and all the others are having a desperate time
financially.
Many will have go out of business if Supermarkets and processors drastically reduce their
price.
One of the `market`place victims,it is time to teach the Supermarkets etc a lesson and
return to the old milkman !!!!!.......Mrs Jones will be happy... - 21 July 2012 10:13183888a load of baloney from the major supermarkets, i cannot see anyone objecting to paying a bit more if it keeps dairy farmers in business
i always get mine from the millklady anyway, helps keep someone in work and for the sake of 60 pence a week i don't have to cart it back from the shops. - 21 July 2012 10:44183893From the Independent I read...
"Farmers say the dairies have slashed their margins for supplying grocers. Marks & Spencer, Waitrose, Sainsbury's and Tesco pay a premium above the farmgate price. Others supermarkets pay premiums below the 30ppl it costs to produce milk."
And only yesterday the Co-op boasts of increasing their payments to all of 29ppl...
http://www.co-operative.coop/food/ethics/Ethical-trading/milk-supply-policy/
Luckily, there is a man named after a fish who has promised to bang some heads together.Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 22 July 2012 08:38184044From the Telegraph...
"...
Our dairy sector is in a similar situation to that in the Twenties, when many producers were on the verge of bankruptcy. It was not until the Milk Marketing Board was formed in 1933 that stability was established. Dairy farmers were given a secure, rolling contract to provide as much milk as they wished and paid a price to enable them to make a fair living.
The board provided a forecast a year ahead for the price farmers would be paid for their milk. This secure market and pricing continued until 1994, when the then government wound up the board. Despite warnings, neither the National Farmers' Union, nor the milk producers made any meaningful effort to save it, in the belief that they could do better in the marketplace themselves.
In the Milk Marketing Board's final year, after transport and operating costs, producers were paid 24.47ppl (pence per litre) for their milk. By 2006 the price had dropped to 17.90ppl. In spite of rising production costs, in the coming year, producers can expect very little more than they received for their milk in 1994.
Albert George"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/letters/9415977/The-Milk-Board-once-protected-dairy-farmers.htmlIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 22 July 2012 09:02184046Nil-desperandum....WI have joined Dairy Farmers campaign against the Supermarkets..
- 22 July 2012 10:40184072WI - a force to be reckoned with !!!
(I am one of them)---------------------------------------------------
Lincolnshire Born and Bred - 22 July 2012 12:50184087And haw much do they get for there beef?? Government grants, tax's brakes, EU subs, these big farms do nothing for local employment.
If these big farms go down, these farms will revert back to lots of smaller farms, small holdings farmers markets ,creating more opportunities for small local business to start up to sell there produce locally, and employment of locals.
Instead of the gang masters nationally supplied Easton Europeans labour party's gests workers We have at the moment
(get of my land) - 22 July 2012 13:42184088Have you ever seen a poor farmer?
No subsidies for steel men
No subsidies for mineworkers
Both parliament and the lords are full of big land owners, and there friends, they all love Eu subsidies
EU Farm subsidies for England, United Kingdom
505,369 recipients in England received a total of €23,659,375,051
Breakdown by place
Name Amount Recipients Average per recipient
Herefordshire
€337,140,963 10,798 €31,223
North Yorkshire
€1,903,404,780 37,437 €50,843
Leicestershire
€1,460 1 €1,460
Cambridgeshire
€811,542,742 8,498 €95,498
Surrey
€231,151,802 3,741 €61,789
Merseyside
€45,292,127 1,026 €44,144
Staffordshire
€371,353,877 13,785 €26,939
Leicestershire
€444,833,454 8,825 €50,406
Berkshire
€292,120,413 7,626 €38,306
East Riding Of Yorkshire
€479,572,372 6,839 €70,123
Gloucestershire
€510,324,850 15,077 €33,848
Isle Of Wight
€59,546,056 1,546 €38,516
Bath And North East Somerset
€7,302,719 375 €19,474
Northamptonshire
€566,235,978 8,236 €68,751
Cumbria
€843,868,842 26,323 €32,058
Durham
€315,687,202 6,786 €46,520
Essex
€784,315,924 8,037 €97,588
Somerset
€720,899,174 28,892 €24,952
Warwickshire
€354,600,135 7,439 €47,668
West Midlands
€48,247,540 1,647 €29,294
Greater London
€1,027,441,980 1,592 €645,378
Suffolk
€858,850,976 12,546 €68,456
Dorset
€435,051,983 12,370 €35,170
West Sussex
€262,954,909 5,793 €45,392
City Of Bristol
€7,035,550 399 €17,633
Hertfordshire
€252,139,566 2,926 €86,172
Nottinghamshire
€497,343,420 7,165 €69,413
Oxfordshire
€523,889,058 7,716 €67,896
Northumberland
€724,509,684 8,979 €80,689
Greater Manchester
€21,269,558 599 €35,508
Kent
€629,461,531 10,763 €58,484
Worcestershire
€377,087,429 11,882 €31,736
West Yorkshire
€218,351,083 8,048 €27,131
Devon
€1,200,299,606 47,220 €25,419
Shropshire
€726,508,948 20,032 €36,267 - 22 July 2012 14:18184091dairy farms are usually small family concerns and certainly don't get rich on it.
- 22 July 2012 15:51184099On average there on £50000 a year, before even grabbing a tit
Theirs Beef sales, set-aside payments, tax brakes, we even pay them for supposedly managing the country side.
Farmers just love claiming benefits. - 22 July 2012 19:10184111you seem to be deliberately missing the point here keith.
dairy farmers have been going under for the last few years. - Jan Higgins
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22 July 2012 19:55184114Many small farmers are cash poor, their money is tied up in farm machinery, livestock and their land and yes Keith I have met a tenant farmer who was poor and really struggled to make a living and pay his bills.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 22 July 2012 20:38184121Some `dairy`farmers are tenants and have lived in their homes for generations
and will have to vacate them if the Supermarkets are ``greedy`` - 22 July 2012 21:08184127The only rich farmers I know were all rich before they became farmers, either by making their money in other ways or through inherited wealth. The only small tenant farmer I know well struggles to get by year after year. In a good year he just manages to clear his overdraft, in a bad year he is left with £30k of debt. But he remains cheerful.
PS farm land and buildings are exempt from inheritance tax. That's why rich people buy farms. They don't get rich from farming. It's a tax-efficient hobby.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson - 22 July 2012 21:13184129Dairy farmers can't be compared to beef and other farmers. They are struggling.---------------------------------------------------
Lincolnshire Born and Bred - 25 July 2012 10:16184509"The contrast between the farmers' milk price dispute and other trade disputes revealed in the coverage in the Guardian and elsewhere could not be more marked (Dairy farmers step up pressure at plants over milk price cuts, 21 July). There are blockades of milk plants, but no restrictions on numbers of protesters. There is no requirement to hold a ballot. Ministers rush to arrange meetings with the parties within 48 hours, with no condemnation of the action. Strangest of all, there is no sight of those usually so quick and loud to criticise any trade union action involving people trying to protect their livelihoods. Kelvin McKenzie, Digby Jones, the Taxpayers' Alliance, and the CBI, where are you?
Peter Skyte
London"
From...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jul/24/striking-contrast-reaction-milk-disputeIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 25 July 2012 10:23184512Nice one, Tom!
- 26 July 2012 08:10184694The legislation which limits the numbers of protestors and requires a ballot needs to be properly understood. The law does not absolutely require that. Firstly it only applies to trade unions and their members; secondly it only applies to disputes between employers and employees; thirdly, in return for placing obligations on strikers and their unions, it also confers certain legal immunities from prosecution or legal action in the civil courts.
In this dispute there is no union; the protestors are not employees; and there is nothing to prevent the police arresting them for obstruction or for offences under the Public Order Act. The latter is also the case where strikes go ahead without a ballot or where there are mass pickets.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson - 28 July 2012 14:58185108courtesy of the guardian.
Dairy farmers are telling consumers not to buy milk at Morrisons, Aldi, Lidl or Londis - and think twice about Asda and the Co-operative - as the battle over prices spills on to the high street.
The row centres on the "farm gate" price paid to Britain's 14,500 dairy farmers, most of whom will, from 1 August, receive just 25p a litre for the milk they produce compared with around 30p before. The price cut will force many into bankruptcy, warns the Royal Association of British Dairy Farmers, which along with the National Farmers Union and Farmers For Action say that 30p a litre is the minimum price that producers can survive on.
The price cut has been pushed through by the major processors, such as Dairy Crest, which pasteurise and bottle much of the milk produced on UK farms. But RABDF chief executive Nick Errington blames the supermarket groups for relentlessly squeezing both processors and farmers.
"In 1996 the retailers were making a margin of about 2.3p a litre, but today it stands at around 15p a litre, and has been as high as 26p a litre," he says. "The margin the retailers are making is just too high and they do not deserve it. The processor has to do all the pasteurisation, bottling and delivery to the supermarkets. All they do is put it on the shelves and collect the money. They have become far too powerful." - 28 July 2012 21:53185192I think the problem is over production, maybe these farmers need to look for outside markets for there products, maybe they could sell to Eastern Europe?