Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Yes Jan. They have the power to change things but do bugger all.
Personally I'd withdraw from the 1951 Agreement and later Protocols BUT even as a signatory the implementation and interpretation of the Agreement are open to interpretation.
As I've pointed out before, Japan, anther signatory, had 20,000 applications for asylum in 2017. It accepted 20.
This is why if you visit Tokyo you will find it gloriously errrr Japanese rather than like London, a polyglotal staby Hell-hole.
The Japanese, like most people, prefer to be surrounded with people a bit like them, same language, background, religion, history etc.
Personally I would more than happy to forego the occasional curry to live in a country which I recognise as being vaguely like the one I was born in.
As for those fleeing war and poverty 'frankly my dear, I don't give a damn'.
Life for most has always been 'nasty, brutish and short'.
Would any of you really think the UK would be a much better country if we had taken in hundreds of thousands fleeing partition of India (one million dead), war in Biafra (during which between 500,000 and 2 million Biafran civilians died of starvation) or Rwanda (over a million killed)?
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How I Wrote Elastic Man- Registered: 5 Dec 2020
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To each their own, but personally I would hate to live in a country that doesn´t change
But then, I´m an immigrant, so I would say that, wouldn´t I
I wonder what the natives thought when the English turned up?
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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How I Wrote Elastic Man wrote:
I wonder what the natives thought when the English turned up?
If you are talking about the Norman Conquest most historians agree that an estimated 8000 Normans and other continentals settled in England as a result of the conquest. The UK population at that time was about 2.5 million.
England has never been a country with large scale immigration until the 1950s.
The only notable exception is from 1670 to 1710, between 40,000 and 50,000 Huguenots from all walks of life sought refuge in England amongst fellow Protestants.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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How I Wrote Elastic Man wrote:
I wonder what the natives thought when the English turned up?
More likely thinking about the Mau Mau, perhaps?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Are we not all immigrants ?
I have heard local people say .....
Send them all home ?
So where would you start ?
Who goes /stays?
My mum (sadly no longer with us)
Came over from Southern Ireland when she was 16 and worked as a nurse in the NHS to better herself
And was here until she was in her 80s so should she have been sent home ?
Or just send home the recent ones (is that fair ?)
At what point do you start ?
It's a little more complex I think
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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We should send home all those who enter the country illegally and try to disappear rather than give themselves up to the authorities. Having said that we should allow even those who entered illegally years ago to stay if they have not committed a criminal act and are contributing to the country in some way. The ones behind the boat fiasco are the ones who need finding and locking up or deporting where appropriate together with the sale of of all their worldly goods.
We need immigrants and their skills but we do not need those of dubious character who are simply money grabbing criminals.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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That's the thing Jan so already you can see it's a little more complex ....
The rest can stay then ?
Not the way all are thinking
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Britain braced for summer of migrant mayhem: Fears of 'mob unrest' by asylum seekers who land in UK to be told there is no housing for them - as 'phenomenal' numbers continue to arrive despite Priti's vow of border crackdown
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I do think the bexiteers were hood winked
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:I do think the bexiteers were hood winked
Just gullible in the extreme a bit like the Daily Mail readers who lap up the sensationalist drivel above. Maybe they can all go and work for Tim Martin? Problem solved!
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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What fascinates me is the lack of media interest. I assume, given that the print media is basically the government newsletter, that the interest in immigration was a means to and end for the Brexit vehicle.
What frustrates me is that the government is genuinely getting a free ride on this because people still seem to blame Labour - for everything. We've had a Tory government for eleven years and this has happened on its watch.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Keith Sansum1 wrote:I do think the bexiteers were hood winked
It's nothing to do with Brexit. We weren't sending them back even when we were in the EU. It's just that dinghies have spread from the N.Africa- Europe and Turkey-Greece routes to become a local 'thing'.
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Button- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:It's nothing to do with Brexit.
Illegal immigration may have nothing to do with Brexit, but I assume the point KS1 is making is that some may have voted Leave because they thought that the UK's EU membership/lack of (border) control had everything to do with it.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Iv spoken to many in the district , and whilst Brexit was not connected .
Many voted because they thought it was , some very misguided telling me send them all home ?
As iv said before my mums sadly no longer with us but she came over for a better life from Southern Ireland when she was 16 .
So then Dover only send those coming in by sea?
I don't think those saying these things have thought it out , and when i put these to them they go all over the place and contradict themselves .
I think the most concerning comment iv heard was from a leading member of a Catholic church who came into my office and whilst chatting said we should send them all out Inna ship and sink it and he was serious .
The church itself had clear policies on helping such people.
But if the leading lights of a local church are holding these types of views what hope is there .
It is correct this Govt has had years to grapple and sort out the problem , but it appears to be getting worse
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