Guest 699- Registered: 3 Jun 2010
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on radio today the migants from libya and tunsia left italy by train to be turned back by the french , dont know destination but can guess , so long as the french are strong no problem if not folkestone road could be full by 5th may -- by election day
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Ron
I said on the forum recently that Italy was granting them all visas to live anywhere in Europe and in my opinion the only place they were heading for was the UK. A few forumites doubted this...
Marek
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there will be a few landlords with empty dilapidated properties in dover rubbing their hands with glee at the news.
those spoilsports from the border agency stationed in france are the last line of defence.
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Marek
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#5
i was speaking to this chap in our museum last week, didn't have much to say for himself, seemed to have an attitude problem but could be useful if any trouble breaks out in the folkestone road.
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#6
I see you got the Italian in the photo Howard.
Watty
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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#7
I recognise that old boy with the spear, he is on the left in the photo below. The three Celts comprised a tableau depicting the reception committee that Caesar would have seen lining the cliffs at Dover and which persuaded him to go a bit further up the coast before attempting a landing. It was an exhibit at the White Cliffs Experience entitled "Beach Landing" and was viewed from a moving platform simulating the deck of a Roman ship.
He seems to have nodded off to sleep in Howard's photo, maybe he got fed up waiting!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#8
I always thought inns were the oldest types of business to be established in England. Obviously personal adornment salons were all the rage, as they still are today. Presumably they were up the London Woad?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#9
i am pretty sure that the model there was described as likely to be living in the buckland area at that time.
what goes around comes around.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#10
Theresa May has slammed the door on refugees fleeing north Africa ,thousands were on the run from the violence in Libya, Tunisia and other Arab countries. Refugees are arriving in Italy every day and Prime Minster Silvio Berlusconi called on other EU countries to help. But Ms May told EU ministers the UK will not accept any. A source said: "She has let it be known that this is not a British problem."
Well credit where's it due.Italy has a responsibility to the EU to man it's borders responsibly maybe this action will make them look again at their current 'open door' policy.
Marek
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#11
I believe the French today are considering a suspension of the Schengen Agreement. This is the agreement which allows the free movement of citizens between member states. They (the French)are miffed with the Italian open door policy with North Africans. Sooner or later all these people end up in France and/or here. But end up in France one way or another.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i read that too it looks like the schengen agreement is in tatters, cypyus and malta are up in arms about it as they are being beseiged.
sadly for them they are not rich enough to deserve any justice.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#13
It's a double whammy for Camerons cronies as news that hundreds of Tunisian and Libyan migrants have erected a ramshackle camp just a short walk from the Gare du Nord Eurostar terminal in Paris.The worry is that the unrest across the Arab world is breeding a new crisis. One that could wreck David Cameron's hopes of reducing annual net migration from "the hundreds of thousands to the tens of thousands".
That target is proving a tall order for the UK Border Agency. Worryingly, ministers are already referring to it as an ambition rather than a policy. As long as Britain remains in the EU, there remains the threat of us being forced to accept quotas of asylum seekers.
It's also been released that there are over 25,000 asylum applications still waiting to be dealt with at the Home Office,some dating back 5 years. Any ideas anyone?
Marek
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#14
Increase Border Control officers, not reduce them and simply refuse to allow anyone to come in who cannot speak English, who doesn't already has a job to go to, is not qualified in something that will be useful and has no means to support themselves.
There is no country bordering our own, or that of Western Europe that is at war or persecutes it people, so that cannot be used as an excuse to be here; we don't need or want any more people to suck the life (and money) out of our benefits/welfare system - and they don't add anything positive to our Nation and culture.
Useful people with the above, only should be allowed in.
There's no discrimination there, just on having good, hard-working, decent people - from anywhere in the world.
We simply cannot feed, house, and finance, the World's poor and uneducated.
Roger
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Roger
With greatest respect your a Conservative,and thats your right and one I respect, but it's YOUR party that
1. abandoned embarkation control so there was no check on people leaving the UK.
2. signed the Dublin agreement to allow foreigners to claim asylum in any EU country not just the first safe haven they entered after fleeing their homeland and finally
3. has proposed further cuts in Border Control officers
Although these are 'national and central govt issues' they effect Dover tremendously so are therefore ' local issues of importance' because of Dovers role in border control.
Thee can't have thee cake and eat it lad!
Marek
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Jan Higgins
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#16
Not sure of my facts here
, but was it not Labour during their long time in office that did nothing to stop the influx that we seem to have at the moment.
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Jan
Labour put forward legislation to re-introduce embark contols.
Labour wanted to introduce i/d cards to stop multiple asylum applications.
Labour introduced fingerprinting and eye recognition of illegals.
Labour expanded immigration detention centres
Labour increased the number of border control staff.....to name but a few
Marek
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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#18
But they still poured in as they did when the Conservatives were in power last time, Labour did not halt the flow.
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#19
Nor will any govt until we introduce that visa's are required for all non EU member countries similar to Australia and the US both of whom do not require visas to visit the UK but we require visas to visit their country.
Marek
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#20
No Jan. As a matter of fact immigration was much, much lower under the Conservatives. It went through the roof when labour opened the floodgates in 1997 and then they tried to close the door under public pressure, too little too late. The two graphs say it all - from official statistics.
