Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#21
Howard - the facts are simple; Labour get in, they get kicked out in a financial crisis of their making and unemployment is higher than when they started. That is a simple historical fact and applies to every single period of Labour government that has cursed this country.
That is not the case with every period of Conservative government.
Each time the Conservatives first have to turn around the economic problems left behind by Labour and unemployment is a lagging indicator so it always increase before it then starts to reduce. Sometimes it has reduced to a level below where it started, sometimes not but is usually on the way down when Conservative leave office.
It is farcical Howard to try to warp the facts the way you have. The fact is that Labour make a big play about the evils of unemployment, they pretend to be 'for the working man' - but it is a lie, a pretence. They are the worse enemy of those they pretend to represent, Incompetent perhaps, deliberate policy to keep people poor, dependent and voting for them maybe, stupidity very likely - a big con trick on the public most certainly.
Keith - have you nothing interesting to say for yourself or is it that you can only stir the brown stuff and cheer on those who do have something to say, even if they are factually incorrect?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#22
Handbags at dawn then.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Brian Dixon
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#23
quite agree peter,both partys are just as bad,.if only they could work together instead off the oppisit.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#24
You have to have a meeting of minds to work together Brian. Just look at this coalition to see how difficult that is.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#25
a lot of bluster there barry but you do not dispute the facts. why on earth would a political party try to keep people poor when it is the opposite that gets them elected?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#26
Howard, how naive of you. Parties get elected not on what they have done but on what they promise. Keep them poor and ignorant, promise them the earth and they'll vote for you.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1
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#27
Well said howard
now then barryw
there are a number of issues that i agree with you and your followers on
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#28
interesting comment from blue peter as he is clearly of the view that all parties are culpable but blue barry says that it is purely a red thing.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#29
well thats a red herring then.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#30
Howard - #25 - because Labour talk the talk but their policies are naive and stupid that have the opposite effect to what they claim. If people were better off and more independent why on earth would they bother to vote Labour, a party that taxes them to the hilt, spends too much and thinks it knows best how to spend their money better than they do? Look at Browns massive benefit society with hand-outs to those within incomes of over £50k - that was only to create a high level dependency and to keep people voting for them . Labour have a vested interest in a divided society, with people who are grateful for their largesse and all the benefits they receive. Reduce people's dependency on benefits, increase their wealth and independence and why on earth would they be stupid enough to vote Labour who will just want to take it off them in tax?
#28 - Howard, no actually, it is just that the Conservatives are by far the better of the bunch. It is all just a comparative matter. Hayek dedicated his great work, The Road to Serfdom, to 'Socialists of all Parties' deliberately. The left of the Conservative Party are not really much different from the right of Labour, we on the right of the Conservative Party balance that and keep in check the worse tendencies of the left. The coalition has just increased the influence of the left, hence the problems we are having in boosting the economy out of Brown's 'Great Recession'.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#31
aree with you barry,better bunch of nasties all together.[tories that is]
