Living wage
- Ross Miller
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10 January 2012 20:34146648Bern you are of course correct as the economic/fiscal debate is not and should not be the only one in town. Likewise Peter is absolutely right that in times of austerity measures the rich blatantly feathering their nests sends the wrong message and if the do not show restraint the government will have no choice (politically) but to take action.
Alex criminalising people retrospectively for things that were perfectly legal when carried out is not only a dangerous road to start on but the thin end of a very dangerous wedge - who will be your Pastor Niemoller? because that is where it will end up."Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - 10 January 2012 21:24146653Pastor Niemoller, well yes.
How would it go?
"first they came for those who couldn't pay the mortgage, and slung them out of their home. I didn't speak up, because I didn't own a home".
"Then they came for those with a payday loan, and confiscated their property. I didn't speak up, because I had no property they could confiscate".
"Then they came for those whose wage wasn't enough to shop any more and had overdrawn their bank account. I didn't speak up, because I had no wage".
"Then they came... but it was too late, we were all indebted to the bankers..."Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 10 January 2012 21:50146654alex
that must be one of your best ever posts, clever and witty at the same time.
rest assured i will plagiarise that at some time in the future. - Ross Miller
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10 January 2012 21:56146656and as usual Alex you choose to ignore the point"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - 10 January 2012 22:02146657I'll have that up on my blog Howard, but you can certainly publish it anyway, full author's permission!
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 10 January 2012 22:32146659Alex I think you might have misconstrued the historical reference to Martin Niemoller. A perfect analogy would be persecution of the bankers, as you previously advocated, with all the other good citizens pretending not to notice. I can't see a latter-day Niemoller emerging from the pusillanimous ranks of our present spiritual leaders, however.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- 11 January 2012 00:24146664Peter, maybe you've taken this topic too personally.
I was trying to keep a birds-eye view of what is evolving on the chess board, rather than advocating personally construed justice.
Hosni Mubarak and family (4 persons all counted) are said to be worth possibly $70 billion, spread out in banks in Egypt and the world, including Britain.
Switzerland has already frozen the Mubaraks' bank assets.
The former president of Egypt sits in prison while on trial for a number of things, including illegally amassing wealth and property.
Who'd have thought it even 1 year ago?
Don't think for one instant, Peter, that people taking part in the transfer of illegally obtained wealth are free from indictment. If the transfer of such wealth came about with the collusion of bankers... the laws are already in place and were at the time.
The law always has been strict on such matters.
So plenty remains to be seen, and don't forget, Peter, that even men who once stood high and spoke loud, ruling their own country, suddenly fell with a crash, as last year's spate of Arab uprising should prove.
All these men had one thing in common: they all took for granted that they dictated the laws and the constitution and had rights to amass wealth and luxury galore.
Something similar to the bankers.
Now give this some thought Peter and let the Law take its own course. All that is hidden will be unearthed, and that which was in the dark will be revealed.
Night night, now
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 11 January 2012 00:48146665Words fail me. That does not often happen.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- Ross Miller
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11 January 2012 00:48146666Ah well clearly KYC, AML and all the other alphabety spaghetti of regulation that financial services in the UK has to adhere to means nothing to these mystery bankers or their compliance officers and the regulators"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - 11 January 2012 00:52146667I think I'll go and do some easier bedtime reading now. Finnegan's Wake perhaps.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- Ross Miller
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11 January 2012 00:55146668I am with you on that Peter"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - Keith Sansum1
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11 January 2012 21:42146785so where is all this we are in it together stuff.
prredicted child poverty to rocket
predicted rich to get richer
predicted poor to become even poorer
predicted even more jobs to be lostALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 11 January 2012 21:55146786Predicted by whom?I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- Keith Sansum1
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11 January 2012 22:24146787leading employers who had nothing to gain by saying it
also
leading people who support high wages
but are concerned at the gapALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 11 January 2012 22:29146788Hard to refute such claims without knowing who predicted what, and why. Otherwise we're just talking tabloid style sound bites which mean nothing at all.I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
- 12 January 2012 00:51146802Peter, I think it was George Osborne, or possibly he and Dave together, who recently stated that we are in for 14 years of hard times.
Adding to what Keith mentioned, both national and private debt are forcast to rise in Britain by further trillions of pounds over the coming years.
People are realising now that the Government has to step in and change things, and do it hard, to prevent this misery coming upon us.
A crisis has just broken out between the EU dictatorship and the Hungarian government, which has decided to change the constitution and place State control over the national banking system. The iron belt is tightening, the Rockafella era is coming to an end.
The days when the rich can afford to light cigars with 100 dollar bills are coming to an end, Peter. I'm surprised they still continued doing it after the 2008 banking crisis.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - Keith Sansum1
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12 January 2012 09:12146815alexander
Sadly those days you mention are unlikely to change, the rich gap will continue to get bigger. thats whats wrong with society.
peter;
alexander has mentioned a few names and there has been many leading people on the box who support big companies and high wages for people who do well
but have said they are concerned at the gap between the rich and poor.
io don't write down names etc just listen and digest i dont think many people are in any doubt the rich are getting richer and the poor struggling to survive.ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 12 January 2012 10:20146829Some people have to work long hours to keep the export orders rolling .No 8 hour shifts or work to rule .By working hard they keep others in employment .Enough said .
- 12 January 2012 10:26146834A worrying thought for 2012....... !
10 years ago Bob Hope died
5 years ago Johnny Cash died
A couple of months ago Steve Jobs died
A few weeks ago Jimmy Saville died
Now we have no Hope, no Cash, no Jobs and nobody left to Fix It
Let's hope nothing happens to Ed Balls!
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum" - 12 January 2012 10:45146840That made me laugh out loud!