howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
16 January 2011
19:3189221apparently not, jaguar land rover advertised for 150 staff to join them at halewood, merseyside.
they are starting later this year in building the range rover evoque at the plant.
so far they have had 1400 applications from the area that has a bad reputation for not getting out of bed particularly early in the morning.
we all remember that when morrison's started recruiting for their dover branch up at the ground of our successful football club, they were totally inundated by people, even though the vast majority of jobs are on the minimum wage.
only the other day we had roger posting about the willing youngsters he is involved in training at the channel chamber of commerce.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,463
16 January 2011
19:4389223Jaguar Landrover have just secured an order to supply 40000 vehicles to China
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
16 January 2011
20:1389226Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,316
16 January 2011
21:2389234Silly me, I thought it was about sloppy use of grammar!
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
16 January 2011
21:2489235Me too initially - I was fully prepared to enter Pedantic Mode. Poop!
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,707
16 January 2011
21:3189237You are making the presumption Howard that all the applicants are currently unemployed, whereas it is likely that many of them are actually in jobs
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
16 January 2011
22:2389241Let me tell you the Englishman is not lazy,I have worked alot overseas and the English was the only ones that would work overtime and 7days aweek,but at times it is the drink the night before that causes a upset next morning.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,540
18 January 2011
07:5989356That's only in certain circumstances Vic.
I wouldn't dare say it's a minority or majority (minority of course), but many English are lazy and they can afford to be as they work so hard at it.
We have a large immigrant population who come here to work (many highly qualified) and many others do the work our own don't want to do.
We must change the culture of not wanting to work - it should be looked upon as shameful that people can get away with cheating the benefit system.
I also appreciate that an enormous amount of people out of work, really want to work and try really hard to find it.
If I can find good work and apprenticeships for young people and put them on a good road for life, then that will be very satisfying indeed.
Roger
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
- Posts: 7,819
18 January 2011
10:5189376There is no doubt about it we certainly do rely on foreigners/immigrants for a lot of work. Only a day or two ago I was listening to Farming Today ( well somebody has to do it !
) and there was a Flower Grower on there who said his business would go kaputt if it wasnt for the immigrants. Immigrants are prepared to do the physical picking where locals are not. This is a well throdden story now. We have heard the same story about apples and various other products as well for an age now.
The reporter asked the Flower Grower on the programme if he could now genuinely expect more locals to apply for work this year, as due to the recession many have lost jobs and so on. The Grower said it was unlikely.
So although there was a huge response in Liverpool there are vast swathes of jobs that no-one will touch with a bargepole. But according to this report on Farming Today, the thinking is that its a social level thing, once the immigrants go up the social and affluent scale, as they get more prosperous and so on, they wont want to do it either. So at that point we need yet more immigrants.
See the thread about Turkey and the EU.
But once you get a solid factory or large company this feeling seems to change. People want to work where there is the stability of a large organisation. We need one of them in Dover.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
18 January 2011
10:5889377RThat is again not true Roger we still have a very highly qualified work force they are some of the best in the world,but workers come to the UK to work from overseas to work for a very low hourly rate. And they are not so qualified as you are saying,"How do I know that" because I have worked with them alot over the pass ten years,some are good workers but most are not qualified and pick it up as they go along. You have to get around and work and see it for yourself .Roger you do not do that like most you just pick it up from the press.
18 January 2011
11:1989380Farming Today - one of my favourite progs! They talk quite a bit about labour force and immigrant labour, and it is a compelling picture. One thing that gets ovwelooked is tha exploitation of the immigrant workers, and whatever we think of immigration I hope none of us thinks it is ok to exploit and abuse people just because their status is low, socially speaking. Apple picking is one thing, but a huge area for immigtrant workers is in the care industry, and without a racist tone in place, that is not appropriate. Care and support depends on communication and understanding, and that is too much of a challenge if you either cannot speak the same language or do not understand some of the social nuances.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
18 January 2011
13:1889393in the case of the fruit pickers, those poor devils are recruited abroad by gangmasters who pay them a pittance and house them in overcrowded conditions.
the faremers are more than happy to turn a blind eye in order that they avoid paying the minimum wage.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
18 January 2011
16:1289408If we get deeply into this it's not only the fruit workers
but we probaby wouldn't have a N.H.S. or Raiways but for our friends.
Bern's right of course like any worker they should not be abused and we do see that everyday.
there are 2 strands to this posting, immigration and unempoyment
on the immigration i personally have no problem with the immigration issue which is not new, needs tickering with and certainy look to who does come into the country and probably more proof required that lifes are in danger.
but won't get to involved in that one or thread will change.
on the job front i'm probably closer to barryw on this one although probably for different reasons.
the unemployed should have to put something back into society and not just pick up free dosh.
most unempoyed could do some form of work and say they shoud be required to do 39 voluntary hours a week to obtain the benefit. or its reduced.
of course there are some that it woud be impossibe for, and these should be taken case by case.
but just dishing out dosh with no voluntary work gives those getting the dosh low self asteem
and many give peope on benefits a bad name.
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
18 January 2011
16:2489409Vic the Englishman who goes abroad to work is unlikely to be the lazy one. I too worked abroad for many years (mostly in the Middle East). Soon learnt that dozing off while you should have been working was called Egyptian PT.
PG.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
- Posts: 8,115
18 January 2011
16:4289412Roger, what you are doing to help people learn a trade and find work is great, it is really what our society needs. You are totally right in stating that many immigrant workers are highly qualified, as in fact they are, and are at any rate willing to work.
By finding the way for apprenticeships and therefore qualifications for local people, you are doing what is necessary for the young generation here.
I would add that, according to the official Government figures, about 5 million people in Britain are considered out of work, as this figure includes many who are on incapacity benefits but who Gov. believes could actually work! This number does not include students or people who have retired well before the official working age, and therefore seems to be realistic.
So you are again right in stating that many British people are without work even though they want to find employment. I pointed out in some online articles that the number of job vacancies in Britain - according to official statistics - in a three month period, is only a fraction of the number of the unemployed, and that a large proportion of these vacancies goes to immigrants or seasonal workers from abroad.
This implies that in the present situation, it is impossible to find work for 5 million unemployed people here. Keep up your efferts!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
- Posts: 8,115
18 January 2011
16:5389414Keith, 39 voluntary hours a week would be like working full-time for a social benefit! If that happened, then £65 a week plus the rent would soon become the norm, and we would be more degraded than in the days of the Industrial Revolution.
Yes, I doubt that many would come from abroad to work here full time (which is 40 hours a week), if they had to compete with 5 million unemployed people working voluntarily full time for those those figures (social benefit), but as there are not that many vacant jobs going here (see number of vacant jobs in three month period according to official statistics), millions of currently employed people would have to give up their job in order to allow millions of unemployed to work (voluntary) 39 hours a week (for social benefit).
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 14,118
18 January 2011
17:0589416I do not agree with all this,we have very good workmen and over the 50years I was working both overesas and in the UK ,I have meet up with them in Docksyards, building sites,and at sea,I do not think most of you who have posted about this have not done the same as myself,also I have worked with workers from over seas as I said before some are good in fact very good,but for skills give me the Uk workman anyday
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
18 January 2011
17:0789417alexander
i understand where your coming from, but to be social and to keep up self asteem then putting back into society woud help
there are a number who dont want to work and happy to pick up dosh we al see these people every day.
we need some drastic changes if we truey beieve in a hand up and not hand out.
we have got ourselves in a mess over years by people just expecting to be kept
that cant continue
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
18 January 2011
17:3989430Keith you are beginning to sound like a Tory.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
18 January 2011
18:0289432peter read the top post newest thread you wil think so even more!!
for me on here i speak as it is
some will ike it
some wil not
i dont hide
thats why i said if peope ike dave, stewart, chris, or any other peope want to stand for the tories thats fine, why such a big secret,???
be proud of the party you want to stand for.
i do understand why they don't want to, woud you want to be aligned to that cobbed together lot.
getting back to the thread, i'v aways been strong on benefits, no one should get hand outs and put nowt back into society.
the benefits system needs radical reform and not even the tories will touch it.
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
