howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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courtesy of the guardian, article by roy greenslade.
Now is the time for Liberal Democrat MPs to come to the aid of their party - and the country. They should turn their backs on the coalition and join forces with the Labour opposition in order to oust David Cameron from power.
This is just the right moment to unseat a prime minister who has forfeited his right to the office. The string of policy U-turns previously indicated that he is devoid of political touch. But his lack of judgment has been acutely exposed in relation to the phone-hacking scandal.
He ignored advice to the contrary by making Andy Coulson, the disgraced former editor of the News of the World, his communications chief. He compounded the error by inviting Coulson to Chequers after he had resigned.
He has been exposed as indulging in far too cosy a relationship with Rupert Murdoch and, most particularly, the former News International chief executive and erstwhile NoW editor, Rebekah Brooks.
He avoided attending the key Commons debate on hacking and the future of BSkyB, rightly being accused of failing to show proper leadership.
He watched the Met police chief Paul Stephenson fall on his sword. Yet he is surely more at fault than Stephenson, who hired a former NoW deputy editor, Neil Wallis, who was not, at that time, publicly linked to the hacking scandal.
Moreover, that sensational turn of events occurred while Cameron was abroad because, despite the all-consuming domestic political crisis engendered by hacking, he went off on an ill-timed trip to Africa
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#2
do you think they have hack into my phone.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#3
could well be true vic, they would want to know the difference between national and local membership of ukip.
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#4
ohhh gawd - the Grauniad a story worthy of The Sun's tin-pot journalism when at its very worse.
Conveniently forgetting that this whole hacking mess happened under Labour's watch and they too were very close, too close to journalists. It also conveniently ignores Millminor's links to the disgraced Baldwin.
The criminals, journalists and police that conspired to hack into the private lives of people should be prosecuted with the full vigor of the law and a commission should report on what should be done to prevent a repeat short of regulating the free press that is.
Apart from that, whatever hypocritical journalists and politicians say this is not a party political matter. All parties have gotten too close to the wrong people and the lessons must be learned by all sides.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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quite right it is not a party political matter, both the two establishment parties are tainted.
only one is in power though, greenslade has written fpr the left and right over about 40 years to my knowledge and makes clear critisisms of them all.
will he be right in his assessment this time?
the comments about his judgement will resound loudly within dave's own party.
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#6
Blimey nobody was hurt ...a few MP's and so called celebs who all court publicity had nothing more than their filofax and desk diary peeped into by people searching for gossip. So I'm not going to lose any sleep over them.
The only true people hurt were the parents ,relatives and friends of murder victims or terrorist attacks. So we should compensate them with a big payout and ensure it never happens again. But lets get on with life..we've got soldiers dying abroad,patients dying at home in our hospitals,violent crime and burglary rising ,drugs need I go on..
Marek
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Keith Sansum1
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HOWARD;
With regard to the above, your right, cameron is weak, and not showing true leadership by missing both debates, worse not even being in the country.
as todays tory standard says it was a political error by mr cameron.
the lib dems once destroyed will have a hard job getting into bed with any political party, after there judas acts.
i think the two major parties would prefer to go alone
sady i don't think that will happen, but just hope they learn from there many mistakes
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#8
Ross
Hit the nail on the head on another thread there are far worse things to concern us at the moment like the economy and debt crisis. I missed it off my post 6 as I thought this was a well covered topic elsewhere.
Marek
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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it may not be important in the grand scheme of things marek, however is there anything more pleasureable than watching the teflon coated untouchables in the establishment being brought to book?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#10
howard;
how right you are
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#11
Howard
Yes but at what price?
Marek
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#12
mr cameron im sure is aware(as he me his 1922 committee) of all; the concerns within his own party.
thats without the lib dems
and then theres the electorate itself
a lot to think about
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#13
Marek - you are so right about how over-blown this so called crisis is. Keith and others are enjoying their attempt to tarnish and undermine Cameron and anyone else they hate while ignoring the role of Labour as well - double stanards, to put it as kindly as possible.
There are much more important things going on.
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#14
65p when i last looked.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#15
Barryw;
I dislike the conservative led cobbled together govt
I dislike mr cameron's lack of leadership
but there are very few people/groups i would say i hated
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
you have previously said that it was not party political, now in post 13 you make it one.
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#17
No Howard, not so. Merely pointing out the double standards of those trying to do so and as such emphasising that it is not party political. As I said all sides have gotten too close to the media and lessons have to be learnt.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#18
seems to be about power and how to manipulate.
tony blair started it all with alistair campbell and others forming a coterie that formed an inner circle, mostly unelected people.
dave studied this and decided to do the same if he gained power.
at the most recent party at chipping norton hardly any m.p.'s were there but lord mantlepiece was, no doubt in his power broking role.
we continually hear the moans of back bench m.p's that are up in arms at being not consulted on anything but just told to vote the right way.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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howard;
started way before tony blair
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i disagree keith, spin started with the thatcher and the saatchi bros but she and other prime ministers were usually surrounded by leading elected people not outsiders.
i can put up with spin, usually quite easy to see through.