Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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28 October 2009
19:4731855Looks like you are buttering Paul up for a nomination of a seat,
where do you fancy fighting for the Blues,at the moment it St Rads,but if you keep saying nice things to Paul perhaps he will offer you River.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 October 2009
20:3231860i must try to keep up, i thought multi coloured ken had moved on from the blues.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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28 October 2009
22:4431875I suspect Ken has, but who knows,
Ken, I used to have time for watkins, but of late found in the chamber in my latter years he often lost control to easily, made silly snide remarks, and wouldnt often listen to a differing point of view
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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28 October 2009
22:5231878maybe paul should have been prime minister then, got all the qualities that most of them have shown.
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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29 October 2009
10:3631900In all honesty my heart is socialist and so should vote Labour, but the Tories are far better at being socialists. A classic example is Buckland Court. The utopian socialist view of the future as envisaged by the characture Barrington in The Ragged Philanthropist(essential socialist reading)has become reality by the opening of Buckland Court(a Tory project) We have come a long way from the workhouses of the late 19th and early 20th century, one of course was the Buckland Hospital.(3 threads in one)
We should also remember it was the 3rd earl of Shaftsbury(tory)who was the driving force behind the Factories Act, an act to ensure better working conditions for the workers.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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29 October 2009
12:3131904ken
sounds like the blues are now the new socialists.
i will purchase some smelling salts for our barry.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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29 October 2009
13:1631907I do think that the Conservatives have a greater social conscience than New Labour and when elected next year, Ian Duncan Smith's new social contract will help an awful lot of needy, lower income families - not scivers, but worthy people.
Roger
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30 October 2009
09:5732005KEN
As you know Buckland court started under a labour administration, but that aside it would have happened no matter who controlled DDC
On the latest agenda;
1; NEW LABOUR
Yep, Ken not the party i joined and im a real lefty on most issues, but have to
say on brenefits i'm probably closer to Roger/barryw on .
But Labour did have the prob of never being elected under a lefty agenda
or changing, T Blair who i have never been a fan of, knew he had to change
party if hre was to get to number 10.
And he did so, and like Maggie nowt was going to stop him in his aims.
New labour(or labour i think its now know again as) did do a lot of good
2; ROGER
Anything anti Labour, you go get in there, boring, but you go for it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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30 October 2009
10:1532008where do we get a copy of this social contract?
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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30 October 2009
10:2132010They will all run a manifesto promising the world
behind all this public spending cuts are coming fast
and like Barryw says, should the tories get in they will be deeper and quicker
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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30 October 2009
10:2132011Email Ian Duncan Smith probably Howard - or search online for it I guess.
Roger
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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30 October 2009
10:2832012Howard its a hefty tome but well worth reading a precied version. In essence it will cost about £2 billion to instigate the changes proposed by the contract but eventually it will 'weed' out those who could and should be making a contribution to the economy without removing from benefits those in genuine need.
I would imagine Charlie Elphicke would find you a copy as I believe he was a major contributer to the research, I may be mistaken though.
30 October 2009
10:4332013Despite being a proper old fashioned socialist by nature, I have always liked IDS and thought he was badly under-valued by the Tories. It's not so much a matter of shades and hues these days in politics, althiough that will always underpin the voting system, but it is much more of a menu of options rather than party choice. I don't trust any of them any more, and in hindsight was probably naive to trust any of them years ago - but I like Tony Benn and Michael Foot, Denis Healy and Barbara Castle and felt much more warmth for them - and for IDS and William Hague - than I do for the majority of them now.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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30 October 2009
10:4632014Sorry Keith you are wrong .When I first became the Portfolio Holder in 2003 the then Head of Houising along with another officer toured all the sheltered schemes within the district .A list was drawn up as to what would happen in the future .I attended the PFi meetings with the Head of Housing and thus Buckland Court plans were drawn up .It was under my watch that the various schemes were closed. It was the Labour Scrutiny that held the work up for well over a year .I can recall the events very well .Tory admin .Tory KCC .I have a poicture with me and the Tory Cabinet member outside of Roly Eckhof before it was demolished .I have just missed the completion by a few months but I was still invited to attend the open day .Under my watch Keith .Tough decisions were made.
30 October 2009
11:4232022The point is really that, as Keith says, it would have happened whoever had been around, of whatever political shade. And it reeally boils down to what is right for the local community, regardless of politcal leanings. local politics is a bit different to the national lark: there should be more visible accountability (no, honest, don't laugh!) and more response to local needs and aspirations. People often talk to me about "schemes" they are proud of initiating: I wouldn't want to live in a "scheme" and be defined by my disability/age/needs for the whole world to see. I wouldn't want to be grouped together in a building with other people simply because we share the same disability or age. Where is the person-centredness in that? The refusal or inability of local politicians and institutions to take on board issues like personalisation and person cenred behaviours is a crucial block to progress in social support provision.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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30 October 2009
12:1232024I agree Bern ,however that is how you get the funding .Personally I like retirement villages and we have some excellent sites in the District which could be used .Bern you know full well the move is for people to live for a much longer time in their own homes .Sheltered schemes now are old hat but Buckland Court is a two and half scheme .It is the step before a nursing home .
On one hand the council is critised for taking away the out of date schemes and when a brand new better provided one goes up the critics are out there
The really sad thing is the fact its still classed as social housing .I have tried in vane to get the social housing side removed but it will not be people from the middle classes who go into these schemes ..
30 October 2009
12:3732025What you say is pertinent: how we describe things impacts on how people view them and respond to them. I alos feel, perhaps controversially, that we are in danger of throwing away the baby with the bathwater if we follow "trends" too closely or too deeply and fail to respect the diversity of housing and support needed.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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30 October 2009
12:5932031thanks to roger and ken for info, i will try to wade through it.
2 biilion quid?
where will the spending cuts come from, that we are all being told about?
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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30 October 2009
13:1832035Howard, I believe the £2billion is a worthwhile investment and will reap substantial financial benefit for the economy.
Sue. People pay vast amounts of money to buy properties in sheltered housing schemes but you consider them 'old hat' and that is no doubt why 'on your watch' a sheltered housing complex was demolished and the land given over to accomodation one ' step away' from a nursing home. Thank god Paul had the good sense to remove you from your portfolio before your opinion influenced any more decisions to the detriment of the elderly.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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30 October 2009
13:3332038i agree it sounds a worthwhile investment ken, but we are continually being told that their will be savage cuts across the board.
people smell a rat when they hear such things promised.
i thought that sheltered housing was still very popular with the elderly.